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"This article is about the Hebrew word" can now be removed[edit]

Excellent rewrite!

I believe you can now remove the phrase "This article is about the Hebrew word" since that is no longer true and the "Elohim (gods), "Sons of El" in Canaanite mythology" on the Disambiguation page now links back to this article.

Thanks again for your non-biased, factual approach to this topic.

I agree that "This article is about the Hebrew word" should be removed, since this article is now about so much more than that. And yes, this is an Excellent Rewrite (and it's been a long time in coming). -- LKS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:EB45:AE00:F974:180:67A5:508A (talk) 18:12, 20 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I read the new reproach about the Hebrew word. I just want to point out that the word "El" is used in various cultures throughout history and of course is more than a Hebrew word as you have stated. But you must also take into consideration that those non-Hebrew cultures may have also borrowed the term, so the original source may actually be Hebrew, or unknown. I suppose if you are a believer maybe you would say that the original source of the word is from God and the term is used because those Gods or as stated in the Bible are Fallen Angels. As simply a scholar I would say the word doesn't have a definite origin found, but is found throughout different civilizations for some reason, for many religions are made due to the unknown nature of the word "El" but also because it's recognized throughout the world. --188.151.138.99 (talk) 08:34, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What cultures throughout the world? You are correct in pointing out that El is not strictly a Hebrew word/name: it was, to the best of my knowledge, common amongst the several Caananite tribes/nations, of which Israel/the Hebrews were included. Beyond the Caananites, or maybe other non-Caananite Semites (like Allah in arabic, maybe), the name does not commonly appear with the same general meaning. Not to any

extent that would have any kind of linguistic significance. There are, after all, going to be a few coincedences among unrelate languages. There was an Australian aboriginal tribe whose word for dog was 'dog', and it was absolutely impossible for there to have been any connection to the English word with the same meaning. And 'el' is a two-phoneme word while 'dog' as three phonemes, which would make a word like el statistically more probable (it is, for example the Spanish word for 'the' and the english name for the letter L.

As for gods, the other cultural groups all have their own that are commom within their cultures. The Indo-Europeans had Uranus, Cronus/Saturn, Zeus/Jupiter, Thor, Woeden, many of which there was various overlaps, because they all originated from one vastly more ancient culture, from which the Hindu gods of india are also descended from. The Babylonians had their gods, the Egyptians theirs, and the various oriental cultures of the Far East yet their own as well. And that is without even mentioning the New World cultures.

Cheers Firejuggler86 (talk) 17:44, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Edit war[edit]

@Stephenngengjoo: Original research is prohibited. The Bible isn't WP:RS. Tgeorgescu (talk) 17:53, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

POSSIBLE CORRECT MEANING[edit]

Consider the name Yisraeli. It might mean the father of the biblical Israelites, ie Jacob, thus singular when used in this manner but with a plural verb. Eg, Yisraeli is our patriarchal father. But identifying their ethnicity will be plural. Eg, We are Yisraeli. Another way is 'Yisraeli(singular) is for Yisraeli(plural).' — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pat254 (talk • contribs) 02:32, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fantasy[edit]

Sorry to be so blunt, but The significance is it is the oldest record containing the Torah by over 1000 years, dating to around 2000 B.C. is sheer fantasy. tgeorgescu (talk) 08:04, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lead is a more reasonable length now too. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:06, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, my reasoning is: in 2000 BC the Israelites did not exist, the Hebrew language (or anything like it) did not exist, the Hebrew alphabet (or anything like it) did not exist. So Torah manuscripts could not exist either, in any meaningful sense. tgeorgescu (talk) 20:40, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Plus it contradicts all scholarship. — kwami (talk) 00:23, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The file from the Irish church?[edit]

Sheila1988. The file you recently added has a question mark on the very title of the file. As much as I look at it, and try to expand it to see the details, I can't see the Hebrew letters there that would make up the word "Elohim" (אלהים) in it. Maybe the caption should be changed to say something like "that some argue (who?) bears the Hebrew inscription "Elohim."? Thank you, warshy ^(¥¥) 16:08, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's a photo I myself took, I put the question mark in. It's probable that the carver had little knowledge of Hebrew (I've seen similar bad Hebrew carving elsewhere in Dublin) and you can just about make out א ל ה י מ ‎ Sheila1988 (talk) 19:17, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Sheila1988. If so, I believe that a note should be added to the caption of the picture, explaining what you explain above. Thank you, warshy ^(¥¥) 20:05, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

P.S.- By the way, the correct Hebrew spelling of the word is אלהים. Thank you, warshy ^(¥¥) 20:08, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes but I don't think the carver knew such intricacies as the terminal mem Sheila1988 (talk) 20:10, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So what model from real life do you think the carver may have used, when he tried to carve the work אלהים? He just carved it out of his own mind/memory? There is no text written in Hebrew that would spell the work as you spell it. Thank you, warshy ^(¥¥) 20:29, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I mean like this -- . I can't think what other word could be intended, anyway. Sheila1988 (talk) 18:11, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry, but try as I may (and I have been trying the best I can), I cannot see the word carved there. To me it just looks more like a random carving. But in any case, you would need some other reliable source that says that the word is carved there. According to Wikipedia guidelines just you saying that the word is indeed carved there would look to me like WP:OR. I won't remove it, but someone else might. Thanks for your efforts. Thank you, warshy ^(¥¥) 21:29, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]