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A nitpick re sexism and gender discrimination[edit]

I wouldn't say either one "encompasses" the other, rather that they overlap in significant ways. Not going to edit this, just sayin'... --Jhoughton1 (talk) 00:07, 17 June 2020‎ (UTC)


Bringing up the topic of primarily affects women and girls[edit]

This is factually incorrect; the only sources brought up were dictionary definitions and not a single study. In fact, empirical research has suggested that in the majority of countries across the world, men and boys are disadvantaged to women and girls.[1] Greglawl (talk) 20:19, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Per the discussion immediately above this one, that analysis is incorrect. And gender inequality, which is not the same topic as sexism, which is why we have two different articles for them, is noted in various academic sources as affecting girls and women more than boys and men. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 19:32, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
The analysis is correct. You have not provided a single empirical study or research paper which has found that sexism primarily affects women and girls. Dictionary definitions are not empirical research, they are definitions that people decide correctly apply. Unless you can provide a datapoint which proves your claim, it is still just a claim. Greglawl (talk) 20:20, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
I found this research paper, which gave hundreds of studies and empirical research to suggest that women are NOT the primary victims of sexism, and might actually be less likely to be the victims of sexism.[2] You need actual academic papers and peer-reviewed studies that say that women and girls are more likely to be the victims of sexism than men and boys. Greglawl (talk) 20:32, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Speaking of peer review, I don't think Google Docs has any. Anyway, your claim, and the erroneous talking point about "dictionary definitions", was addressed in the section above. The sources for the article's statement are rock-solid per WP:SCHOLARSHIP. Crossroads -talk- 20:37, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
I never claimed that Google Docs has any. I'm saying that the paper I cited gave over a 100 peer-reviewed studies and papers. You gave absolutely none, and you don't get to make extraordinary claims without proper and adequate scientific and psychological evidence for it. Please add some empirical research that corroborates your assertion, otherwise, remove it. Greglawl (talk) 20:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
The statement is supported by 12 excellent sources, which are WP:Secondary and tertiary sources reviewing the research from many academic fields. Those hold far more weight than some cherry-picked stuff collected by some guy on Google Docs. Also, the article states that "Sexism can affect anyone" and that it primarily affects women and girls. It's not saying men never get discriminated against. Crossroads -talk- 21:11, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
None of which are peer-reviewed, empirical studies. The studies that the Google Docs mentioned were all peer-reviewed and factual; you have listed NONE of those. A dictionary definition is not an excellent source, it's intellectual laziness. Why can't you provide an actual study for your claim? Greglawl (talk) 22:23, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Are you talking about 'reverse sexism'? That is the same thing as 'reverse racism': it does not exist. Sexism, like racism, is a problem because the dominant, more powerful group of people suppress the group that has less power. It is clear that the more powerful group is the group of white men, not black, indigenous, and other people of color. Laurier (talk) 14:21, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
There is no 'reverse sexism,' it's just sexism. I gave you empirical studies and evidence that suggests that white females are the most privileged group in the United States. Don't assert things without backing them up with evidence. Greglawl (talk) 15:03, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Why would Women's suffrage (and Suffrage#Race) even have been needed if (white) men did not posess all the power? Laurier (talk) 20:07, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
You're talking about the past. Men are the majority of victims of police brutality, workplace fatalities, are more likely to receive corporal punishment as a child, have more health problems and yet women receieve more healthcare funding, the majority of combat fatalities, get 63% longer sentencing for the same crime, majority of homeless (men of color mostly), drug-addicted, suicide victims, more likely to receive capital punishment for the same crime, people are more willing to sacrifice men over women, etc... All of this affects black people, too (by the way). Please don't compare the plight of black people to a historically privileged group. Women had protections that men did not before suffrage as well. Greglawl (talk) 23:08, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

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References

  1. ^ Stoet, Gijsbert; Geary, David C. (3 January 2019). "A simplified approach to measuring national gender inequality". PloS one. 14 (1). doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0205349.
  2. ^ P, O. (27 September 2020). "The Myth of Patriarchy". Cite journal requires |journal= (help)

Single study/primary source material[edit]

Regarding this and this? Don't start adding a bunch of single/study primary source material to this article to bias it, like you have done at the Gender inequality in the United States article. That the Sexism article already includes some single/study primary source material is not a valid reason to add more and more. Secondary sources and tertiary sources are preferred. WP:Scholarship is clear. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 03:04, 29 September 2020 (UTC)