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Mark or merk?[edit]

I suspect the spelling in the Scottish-Norwegian Treaty of Perth is merk. Laurel Bush 14:18, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC).

So I put in merk as the Scottish word for mark. Dabbler

I am thinking now the Treaty may have been in French or Latin. May not have been specifically Scottish 'merks' at that early date. Laurel Bush 10:39, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC).

The treaty appears to have been in Latin (see http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/manxsoc/msvol04/v3p210.htm) and says marks

Distracting blank spaces[edit]

Formatting that encases the framed table of contents in text, in just the way a framed map or image is enclosed within the text, is now available: {{TOCleft}} in the HTML does the job.

Blank space opposite the ToC, besides being unsightly and distracting, suggests that there is a major break in the continuity of the text, which may not be the case. Blanks in page layout are voids and they have meanings to the experienced reader. The space betweeen paragraphs marks a brief pause between separate blocks of thought. A deeper space, in a well-printed text, signifies a more complete shift in thought: note the spaces that separate sub-headings in Wikipedia articles.

A handful of thoughtless and aggressive Wikipedians revert the "TOCleft" format at will. A particularly aggressive de-formatter is User:Ed g2s

The reader may want to compare versions at the Page history. --Wetman 20:28, 9 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Origin of Man[edit]

In the article Manannan mac Lir it is stated that "The name Manannan derives from an earlier name for the Isle of Man." Which is it? I have neither time nor inclination to do the requisite research, and so I leave it to the original authors of this article.

Cleanup[edit]

This article is very confusing to read, I suspect it may have been lifted directly from a book. Astrotrain 12:54, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That'd be the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica, then. Man vyi 17:11, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Still doesn't make much sense Astrotrain 18:27, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree that this seems to be lifted from a quite outdated publication. I can't comment on Norman and later periods, but prehistoric information needs major update. Some issues after a cursory read: The Bythonic is not really a period, but rather a language group. Current evidence supports settlement during the Mesolithic. Also there is no discussion of Neolithic or Bronze Age presence on the island. There are a number of monuments from that period, including burials etc. As far as I know there is quite a lot known about the Iron Age settlement (promitory forts)...

The phrase that no one who built a vessel dared to insert more than three bolts struck me as quite curious and when I googled to find out what it meant, I ended up what appears to be the source of the Encyclopedia Brittanica. Footnote 6 of Chapter 14 of A History Of The Isle Of Man ^[1], which stated Probably in consequence of an order of Godred's to prevent them building large boats to compete with his own, so that he might maintain his maritime supremacy. Tangurena (talk) 21:49, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "A History of The Isle of Man". T Fisher Unwin. 1900. Retrieved 2008-09-05.

The article lacks allot of information[edit]

I'm disappointed to see that there is such a lack of basic information on the History of Man.

Firstly, it starts off in the middle of the Celtic period, it says nothing about what occurred before, such as When did people first come to the Island? Was it during the Stone Age, Bronze Age, Iron Age? Where the Romans on Man? What does the Archaeology say?

As for the Celts, was there a Brythonic culture on Man before the Gaelic one? etc...

These are basic things that would be expected to be in any article on the History of a Country.

--Hibernian 23:01, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You'll be wanting Peter Davey (ed.), A New History of the Isle of Man, Volume 2, Prehistory to 1000AD. Published by Liverpool University Press fairly recently. Angus McLellan (Talk) 17:55, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Timelines history of British isles[edit]

I've created a timeline template of the History of the British Isles. My plan is to put it into that article, like the timelines of Irish State in the Irish states since 1171 article. I'm sure there plenty of mistakes, although I've deliberately left out some states/people for simplicity's sake. The "events" I've added are also obviously "Hiberno-centric", so would like the imput of other's to settle what other events should to be added. General comments are also welcome. Since the table is fairly complicated, if people want leave suggestions for events and things they would like changed on the templates talk page, I'll add them. --sony-youth^pléigh 23:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Manann or Manau[edit]

The claim in this article that Baetan mac Cairell's activities were centred in the Forth region of Scotland (Manau Gododdin) would be disputed by most serious historians. Although Skene gave this notion some thought (read it here) very few scholars would accept this as likely or possible.

Unquestionably, Baetan was quite belligerent towards Dal Riada and was probably in direct conflict with Aedan mac Gabhran, but I have seen no evidence to support him fighting so far from home. I would suggest that the author removes this section or provides a reference to support the claim. Following is a link to an article that examines the conflict between Dal Riada and the Dal Fiatach that seems to support the Isle of Man as the site for the Battle of Manann (read it here). I provide it for interests sake.

I really think this article needs some reworking. Karl Craig (talk) 14:09, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Time under the Stanley family[edit]

Was the time under the Stanleys really better for the Manx people? Wasn't there a rule that land reverted back to the Lord every three generations that resulted in poor farming practices, and what about the heavy taxes? Do we have evidence that things were better or worse for the people themselves (and not just those at the top). I've changed the text but if there is evidence about quality of life then feel free to change it back.--Vannin (talk) 18:25, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

Archaeology of the Isle of Mann[edit]

Did this article ever exist: Archaeology of the Isle of Mann. Is there a possible re-direct? Why is it spelled "Mann"? patsw (talk) 03:04, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Does not seem to exist. Mann is only used alone but it is "Isle of Man". Dabbler (talk) 11:34, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Corruption and money laundering?[edit]

This article talks of corruption and money laundering with no references to back up the assertions. It also describes the island as a tax haven - a loaded term and one that is at the very least debatable. The island is certainly not a secrecy jurisdiction.

This article needs a big clear-up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.137.24.38 (talk) 14:32, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

good point. Found some references to get started with.--Vannin (talk) 17:20, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

History on buildings in the Isle of Man[edit]

I'm really interested into getting to grips with what went on in certain buildings on the island, not the who bought where etc. but the tenants and dates etc, more so from the historical, cause of death point of view is there a website that can help? I would be looking from 30 to 300 years ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.246.200.66 (talk) 02:19, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Scots rule[edit]

There certainly should be a section on the Scottish dominance during the 14th century on Man. The Earls of Dunbar, holding it in fief of the crown of Scotland as is attested by their arms. Brendandh (talk) 11:32, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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De Valera's visit to the Isle of Man[edit]

The visit occurred in 1947,^[1] specifically on the 23rd of July.^[2] Culloty82 (talk) 20:23, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

[1] "A History of The Isle of Man". T Fisher Unwin. 1900. Retrieved 2008-09-05.

[2] ttps://www.transceltic.com/blog/isle-of-man-recalling-eamon-de-valeras-visit-isle-of-man

[3] ttps://books.google.ie/books?id=Jerx_yZ8qu0C&q=de+valera+isle+of+man&pg=PR19&redir_esc=y#v=snippet&q=de%20valera%20isle%20of%20man&f=false

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