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On September 2014, it was proposed that this article be moved to Slobodan Milosevic. The result of the discussion was Not moved.
UN War Crimes Tribunal in The Hague has concluded that Slobodan Milosevic was not responsible for war crimes committed in Bosnia and Herzegovina[edit]
Marsden: Milosevic doesn't deserve exoneration for war crimes "The court believes that Milosevic acted as an accomplice by aiding and abetting Karadzic’s crimes." He was not exonerated. "in Serbia the denial of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes is almost commonplace today.". YBSOne (talk) 20:34, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Any chance that someone can improve upon this to be more accurate? This underplays his role. He was the chief agitator whose actions were led to the destruction of Yugoslavia. 150.220.101.120 (talk) 12:11, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Milošević's denial of his conversation with General Wesley Clark[edit]
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The second last paragraph under the "Role in the Yugoslav Wars" paragraph reads:
"During the negotiations, Clark had asked Milošević: 'Mr. President, you say you have so much influence over the Bosnian Serbs, but how is it then, if you have such influence, that you allowed General Mladić to kill all those people in Srebrenica?' with Milošević answering: 'Well, General Clark ... I warned Mladić not to do this, but he didn't listen to me.'""
I think it's worth noting that Milošević later denied saying this and accused Clark of lying during his cross-examination. His exact words were (according to the BBC article used as source 132 and cited in the same paragraph):
"General Clark, this is a blatant lie. First and foremost because we did not talk about Srebrenica at all and secondly because I, throughout this time, through all those years, never issued a single order to General Mladić or was I in a position to issue him an order."
He also said (according to an NBC article on the same topic www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna3747227):
"I, for example, believe firmly until the present day that General Mladic did not order any execution of people in Srebrenica. I believe that this was done by a group of mercenaries."
I would add these sentences to the end of the paragraph in the Wiki page to reflect this information, like so:
"Milošević later denied ever having this conversation with Clark during cross-examination, and said that the subject of Srebrenica had never been discussed between them. He also claimed that 'throughout this time, through all of those years, I never issued a single order to General Mladić or was I in a position to issue him an order.', and that he believed the mass executions at Srebrenica were 'done by a group of mercenaries.'"
(I suppose I should say for the record that I think he's bullshitting here, but I think it's nevertheless important to give him his day in court.)
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