Talk:Nazi concentration camps

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Why is there absolutely no mention of when camps were discovered? This is important in understanding that it was not cruelty but simple ignorance, from other nations and from many German citizens, that allowed this horror to continue for so long. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.73.175.85 (talk) 16:28, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

have been seeking this answer as well. 1 - when did the allies suspect existence of such camps and 2 - when did they know, with proof. 70.31.166.89 (talk) 22:27, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 November 2023

In “Background”, change “Concentration camps are conventionally held to have been invented by the British during the Second Boer War, but historian Dan Stone argues that there were precedents in other countries and that camps were "the logical extension of phenomena that had long characterized colonial rule".[4] Although the word "concentration camp" has acquired the connotation of murder because of the Nazi concentration camps, the British camps in South Africa did not involve systematic murder”

To “Concentration camps are generally held by historians to have been invented by the Spanish during the Cuban War of Independence; with Spain even inventing the term “Concentration Camps” to describe their creation. They were subsequently used by the United States in the Philippines during the Philippine-American War, and then by the British in South Africa during the Second Boer War. Whilst there is a common misconception that Concentration Camps were invented by the British during the Second Boer War, this myth actually originated as Nazi Propaganda when Hermann Göring falsely claimed in a press interview that the British had invented Concentration Camps in order to deflect a British Ambassador’s protest about the German camps. Although the word "concentration camp" has acquired the connotation of murder because of the Nazi concentration camps, the Spanish, American and British camps in did not involve systematic murder.”

Change is because current paragraph gives a false and misleading impression regarding modern scholarship on the subject- presenting the general consensus as being that the camps were invented by the British and the view that they did not as being a fringe perspective. Whilst there is a popular idea that the British invented Camps, virtually all credible historians on the topic agree the camps were invented by the Spanish in Cuba, then used by the United States in the Philippines, and then subsequently by the British in South Africa. The current paragraph results in the Google search “who invented concentration camps” giving the historically inaccurate answer of “the British”. Whilst the scholarship on this can be accessed in many places, here is an example credible example source (the Smithsonian Museum), which can be used to cite the above recommended changed paragraph: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/concentration-camps-existed-long-before-Auschwitz-180967049/ HallowbyHaunts (talk) 22:12, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done I believe Stone does say that the first concentration camps are usually said to be the British ones. This may not be the correct view but if it is widely held it isn't wrong to mention it in a Wikipedia article. See wp:verifiability, not truth (t · c) buidhe 22:46, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Concentration Camps history

The article above seems to infer that the Nazi camps were the first but that is actually incorrect. British concentration camps and their remains can be found in parts of South Africa and date back to the Anglo-Boer war. Sadly the camps had three times as many children than there were adults. Most died from the poor conditions in the camps due to sanitation and hygiene. Evidence found there date back to the 1890's. 97.107.51.176 (talk) 20:03, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

No. The very first sentence of the lead links an article about internment/concentration camps, which has this in its lead:

The term concentration camp originates from the Spanish–Cuban Ten Years' War when Spanish forces detained Cuban civilians in camps in order to more easily combat guerrilla forces. Over the following decades the British during the Second Boer War and the Americans during the Philippine–American War also used concentration camps.

The title also makes it clear that this article is specifically about Nazi concentration camps, not concentration camps in general, and not Extermination camps. (Hohum ^@) 22:23, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

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