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A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on November 28, 2009.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the Nefertiti bust (pictured) was reinstated in Neues Museum in 2009 after 70 years away, including a period in a salt mine in World War II?

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Reward[edit]

It says "When the bust was first discovered, no piece of quartz to represent the iris of the left eyeball was present, as in the other eye, and none was found despite an intensive search and a then significant reward of £5 being put up for information regarding its whereabouts.[29]" £5 doesn't seem a "significant" reward. Maybe the £5 is a typo? There is no way to check on the link provided. Anyone can provide another source? Maybe should remove the word significant? Using http://inflation.stephenmorley.org/ to calculate £5 from 1912 to current rate is says it is £530, which still doesn't sound "significant" for a historic quartz. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:140:8000:D84F:7DD9:A689:3C50:ACB9 (talk) 22:51, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The "£5" are probably Egyptian Pounds and in 1912 £5 would have been a considerable sum for the average Egyptian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.53.137 (talk) 09:53, 6 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Art history?[edit]

There is a lot on the history, but little on the art history here. Johnbod (talk) 01:14, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have been away from the article for some time, but I notice that my comment above was picked up, but not followed up, in the GA review. Just to be clear, the article still has virtually nothing on the role and context of the bust within Egyptian royal portraiture, which is indeed very much the focus of its current excellent presentation in Berlin, and which I would expect to take up a large part of a good article on the subject. I don't think the article meets GA standards in its current state for this reason. Johnbod (talk) 18:52, 21 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The exact role and context of the bust within Egyptian royal portraiture is unknown. "The exact function of the bust is unknown, though it is theorized that the bust may be a sculptor's model."--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 12:22, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That is not the same thing at all! Johnbod (talk) 13:28, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please show a sample para discussing the issue in another article/webpage so I can understand what you really want to see in the article? --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 13:36, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You are writing an article on a single artwork from a rather distant culture, but have no art historical material on the lengthy and much-discussed artistic tradition from which the object comes, which should be a major element of the article. You don't even link to our Portraiture in Ancient Egypt, which is not a bad place to start (not that they seem to link here either). Other stuff quickly found online is here and here. No doubt there is plenty more. That the sculpture was a reference model for use in the studio seems fairly generally assumed, and might be stated more strongly. Johnbod (talk) 14:03, 22 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

please explain WHY the statue was made in the this section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.106.198.227 (talk) 03:37, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not the Deutsche Morgenländische Gesellschaft[edit]

Although the translation (German Oriental Company/Society) is right, the institution (Deutsche Morgenländische Gesellschaft (DMG)) is not correct. It was the Deutsche Orient-Gesellschaft (DOG), of which one of the founders was James Simon himself, the lone sponsor of the Amarna excavation in 1912/13. The DOG was established in Berlin, as the DMG was in Leipzig. The DOG is still in Berlin.

You may find some more information about the DOG here:

--Sat Ra (talk) 09:38, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Background: removal of[edit]

Background is a brief paragraph about who Nefertiti was. It was added so that the reader need not claim on the Nefertiti link. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 12:47, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn't removed intentionally. It was added during an edit conflict, and replaced afterwards. I'm all for a little context. Yomangani ^talk 13:08, 24 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

First display: 1923 or 1924[edit]

There is confusion when the bust was first displayed, some sources say 1923, some 1924. 1924 is now used in the article. I am confused. Some someone find reliable references? --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 15:16, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This may be a reliable reference about the first display of the bust:

see page 286 and note 24: The bust was presented to the public in Borchardt’s text on the Nefertiti portrait, dated 1923 but published in 1924, as well as through the exhibition of the bust beginning in March; see Krauss, ‚1913-1988, p. 100
see also http://www.museum.de/p/p_magazin/magazin.pdf ; pages 6-7: „Die Schöne“ wurde ab 1924 im Neuen Museum der Öffentlichkeit präsentiert. („The beauty was presented to the public in the Neues Museum in 1924.)

I hope, this helps. A footnote could be added to explain the two dates. --Sat Ra (talk) 09:59, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

P. S. I am sorry, I failed to receive the work of Krauss to which is referred to so many times. While I am still working on the German version I will keep a steady eye on this important thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sat Ra (talk • contribs) 09:58, 10 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. incorporated in the text. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 15:18, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Body of Nefertiti[edit]

Are there any photos of this that could be added? I think it would really add to the article to demonstate how it was displayed in this.RafikiSykes (talk) 05:22, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You can see a photo here. Getting copyright permission for a photo and "fair use" for this page would be rather difficult I'm afraid. Paul B (talk) 11:44, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

File:Nofretete Neues Museum.jpg to appear as POTD soon[edit]

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Picture of the day

The Nefertiti Bust is a 3300-year-old painted limestone bust of Nefertiti, the Great Royal Wife of the Pharaoh Akhenaten and one of the most copied works of Ancient Egypt. It is believed to have been crafted in 1345 BC by the sculptor Thutmose, in whose workshop it was discovered in 1912 by a German archaeological team led by Ludwig Borchardt. It is part of the Egyptian Museum of Berlin collection, currently on display in the Neues Museum and has been the subject of an intense argument between Egypt and Germany over the Egyptian demands for its repatriation.Photo: Philip Pikart

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How was identification made?[edit]

This article says nothing about how the bust was identified as that of Nefertiti. Surely Thutmose didn't scrawl her name on the bottom with a stick of charcoal? She certainly resembles the image in the "household altar" photograph attached to the article, but was this carving known when the bust was discovered? Likewise, were the wall paintings depicting Nefertiti known at the time? Is there a specific cartouche on the bust that translates to her name? Was papyri found in Thutmose's workshop listing his works? Was the identification made by an assessment of clues rather than specific, irrefutable information, and therefore subject to change? I'm curious how a 3,500 year old bust was known so conclusively to have been of that specific queen. Thank you for your time, Wordreader (talk) 16:02, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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List_of_rock_formations_that_resemble_human_beings#Taiwan[edit]

Add see also List_of_rock_formations_that_resemble_human_beings#Taiwan. Jidanni (talk) 12:05, 1 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reference[edit]

There is a fairly ong article on the bust: https://aeon.co/essays/how-the-enigmatic-nefertiti-came-to-be-locked-away-in-germany?utm_source=pocket-newtab . 164.47.187.32 (talk) 18:14, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]