Talk:Punch-Out!! (NES)

How many units did this sell?

Anyone have the figures?

Have you tried the Internet? 108.30.146.161 (talk) 23:07, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Glass Joe

When I was studying in France, I got to talking with some of my French friends about Punch Out. I made fun of them for having Glass Joe be French, to which they responded he was British! They were totally shocked at my statement.

Can anyone verify/ look into this claim. It would make sense that a French language version would make the worst fighter a different ethnicity. Thanks!

• Hi, I'm French, I used to play Mike Tyson's Punch Out! all the time, and I'm 100% sure that Glass Joe was French even in the PAL version of the game that was available here. --Nico

Soda Popinkski

Can anyone verify that Soda Popinski was known as Vodka Drunkinski in the Japanese release? He was called that in the Arcade version, but I'm not sure about the Japanese version.--Dwedit 04:13, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I checked the Japanese version. He's Soda Popinski. --Menopause 14:58, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Confusion

The Mike Tyson page says this game came out in 1987. This page says 1986. Which is correct? --Feitclub 03:32, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)

A quick search on Google said that the year 1987 is probably correct. I'm went ahead and changed it on this page also also on the Punch-Out!! arcade game page too. --TheDotGamer 05:20, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)

Tyson Replacement

Can we verify that Mike Tyson was replaced by "Mr Dream" merely because the license expired? I always heard he was immediately pulled from the game following his rape trial. -- Feb 10, 2006

Hey there -- I had heard the same same, that it was due to Tyson's public image that the game was changed. Perhaps Nintendo's official word was that it was due to licensing, which was a nice way to avoid coming out and saying they have a video game named after an accused rapist. Either way, I'm eliminating the licensing reference from the article and currently just saying that the game was changed. It'd be great if someone could find a reference, one way or the other. --Ataricodfish 18:16, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Read "The Ultimate History of Video Games", it confirms that Tyson was removed because the contract he signed with Nintendo had expired. TJ Spyke 04:50, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, IIRC this decision was made before the rape accusations. --PSzalapski 22:02, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Removed "Other Appearances"

I removed the paragraph about Street Fighter being vaguely connected to Punch-Out. As Honda is a very common Japanese family name and M. Bison (Balrog in the U.S.) IS based on Mike Tyson but in no way that is connected to Punch-Out!!, I see no reason for that section to even exist. Jacquismo 00:58, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

YTMND

No one else thinks the whole NSMB thing from YTMND deserves a mention? --KingZog

I guess it does. As lame as it is, the phrase gets over 67,000 Google hits. Sarge Baldy 00:44, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Damn right, someone put it in quickly!

Sorry about spawning that meme :\ CheapAlert 17:46, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

It does, but we should not say its name here. 93.81.218.250 (talk) 08:47, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not censored.. and it's not 'the wiki of everything except memes'.. it's the wiki of everything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.70.113 (talk) 17:50, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Power Punch II

Is there any actual evidence that PP2 was really intended to be a sequel to Punch-Out? It always struck me as a shoddily-made rip-off trying to cash in on Punch-Out's success, since it was not made by Nintendo (it was programmed by Beam Software, and published by American Softworks), and the "Punch-Out" name would have sold even without Tyson's involvement (as the SNES "Super Punch-Out!!" demonstrated). - 67.191.254.83 20:11, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm honestly not sure this is any better evidence than your personal "impression struck", but a quick check turned up [1]... And the game IS called "Power Punch '2'" - there's no "Power Punch 1".

Numerous magazines of the time (GamePro, Game Players Nintendo Guide, EGM) all suggested and indicated that Power Punch II IS the sequel to Punch-Out!! in all of their articles at the time. In fact, sans Nintendo Power, all the other video game magazines were ga-ga over this game until it actually came out and they could play the final product. 68.96.214.115 (talk) 13:18, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Which version for the Wii Virtual Console?

Will Nintendo choose the Mr. Dream version, because the Mike Tyson license was expired; will they choose the Mike Tyson version, because the Mr. Dream version was a clone of one of the greatest video game titles in existance; or will both titles be added to the Wii's Virtual Console? Parrothead1983 21:56, 05 November 2006 (UTC) They only added Mr. Dream...?!?! Regi999 (talk) 00:35, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Code

What is this access code that appears after ceratain paragraphs? --sin-man 11:36, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Screenshot

I replaced the screenshot used in the article with one I captured myself. I believe it represents the subject material more accurately with a comparable resolution and smaller file size. If this causes any problems please let me know. Rg998 04:58, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

HDTV lag rumor

I'm running this game via the Virtual Console on my HDTV and it works just fine. There isn't any lag with any Virtual Console games.

Here here! I've been playing this on VC for quite a few years now, and there isn't any lag. Maybe somebody had a soap-opera effect TV or something. 68.96.214.115 (talk) 13:19, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Move

I suggest moving this article to "Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream". Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! is indeed the original title, but this is the currently accepted title, as seen on the Wii Shop Channel. - A Link to the Past (talk) 02:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

The Wii shop channel has nothing to do with the name as it was released, which is what this article is about. No one who has ever played Mike Tyson's Punchout will ever refer to it as Punchout!! Featuring Mr. Dream. It's just a licensing issue, but we can't change the name of a game that existed 20 years after the fact. That's crazy.Angrymansr 13:51, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree the modern Wii game title is no where near as well known as Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!, which was one of the most popular and best selling games on the NES. This article is mainly in reference to the original NES version, so I will change it back to Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!pretzolio (talk) 23:25, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

They called it Featuring Mr. Dream because the NES game was changed to "Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream" long, long ago. Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream is equally notable besides not being the original, and Nintendo has clearly retconned. Look at Final Fantasy IV, Final Fantasy VI, and Dragon Quest IV: Chapters of the Chosen - FFIV was originally Final Fantasy II, FFIV was originally Final Fantasy III, DQIV was originally Dragon Warrior IV. However, because of Nintendo's decision to replace this title, it is the new official title. Because it is also well-known, and because it is more official (as it is current). - A Link to the Past (talk) 02:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I know what you are trying to say, but Dragon Warrior / Dragon Quest has always maintained that confusing duality of names through-out its' history. It should also be noted that the original dragon warrior HAS NOT been changed to Dragon Quest on wikipedia even though Dquest is the "current" name for the series now. One major reason is that the vast majority of english video game players know the game as Dragon Warrior, just like the vast majority of the population know Punch-Out!! as Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! Despite it's current name (which is due to licensing not chronological issue retconing like the FF series), it is not a modern game, the article is not in reference to the modern version (other than the one section that addresses the issue), it is an 8-Bit game and it is only on the Wii because of its huge popularity in the 80s as Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!. It has also not been relabeled as 'Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream' for any significant length of time. The re-issue on the original NES was only labeled as 'Punch-Out!!' and naming it that on wikipedia would only serve confuse it with the original arcade version. Removing Tyson's significance in favour of Mr. Dream should not be taken lightly either as the he game would likely have no where near the notoriety with out Tyson's involvement. Wikipedia is not owned or operated by Nintendo, so the game should remain what it is best known as, sold the most copies as, and believe me the new title on the Wii is not what 99% percent of Punch-Out!! fans would refer to the game as.pretzolio (talk) 22:42, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

FFVI is not a modern game, and yet it was changed to that name because of the modern release of it.

And may I add that the Mike Tyson name was replaced on the NES originally, not the Wii? And Nintendo doesn't have to own Wikipedia for their word to be reliable. Their intentions are clear - the official title is now Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream, and has been for more than a decade.

And finally, the original DQ game is at DW because it was never released in the US as DQ. - A Link to the Past (talk) 04:41, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes Tyson was replaced on the NES in the early 90s by Mr. Dream, but that game was NOT known as 'Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream' it was simply released as 'Punch-Out!!'; so I am not sure where you are getting the 10 year idea from. So even 'Punch-Out!! (Nes)' is a better and more recognizable name for the article than 'Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream'. The official title of the current game on the Wii may very well be 'Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream'. But the Punch-Out!! game referred to in most of the article is not the 'Wii' game, it is a NES game. The name on the enormous number of cartridges printed out there in the 80s and the name in the memories of the vast majority of players has not changed, it is Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!. Nintendo has not said that the game released in 1987 is/was called 'Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream', they cannot change the historical fact of what it was called and best known as. They only state that the version currently available on the Wii is called 'Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream'; but that version is not what the article in the most part is alluding to.pretzolio (talk) 06:34, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Um, hi? The VC game IS THE NES GAME. To state it bluntly: There is a 0% difference between the NES version of Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream for the NES and Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream on the VC.

And is there some reason that you're ignoring the massive precedence set by the DQ articles, FF articles, etc.? When a name is officially changed, the article reflects that. You can't establish that more people would know it, but I can clearly establish that anyone who's ever been to the Wii Shop Channel would know the title. The name "Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!" would be only good for *drum roll* fans. AKA - people who this article wasn't created to cater to. It's catering to average people wanting to learn about the game. And I doubt a retired name from the 80's, a name which has never been used in a single Nintendo game in the history of time since, would be of help to them. The current title, and more recognizable title, is Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream. Can you supply any reason why Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! is helpful in any conceivable way to the average reader? - A Link to the Past (talk) 06:52, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

You can't prove that. If anything the game is better known as Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! because that's what the NES game was released as first (unlike your Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest analogies). It should be changed back. Essembi (talk) 05:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Um? In every English region in the world, FFVI and DQIV were released as FFIII and DWIV. The difference is literally 0%. The original title is one which has not been used for more than a decade. There's no reason to believe it's more well-known, and the fact that it being released on the NES as Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream and the Wii after the Mike Tyson title was used combined with the fact that Nintendo re-releasing it under that title twice is them officially declaring it the official title of the game. Barring any sources as to which title is more well-known, it goes to which is more official. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:51, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, in every English region but the games were originally released in Japan first with the proper numbering or the different title and then changed to match their original names. That isn't the same here as Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! came out first. You're also totally wrong on Nintendo re-releasing it twice under that title, when they re-released it on the NES it was simply called Punch-Out!! and not Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream. Essembi (talk) 14:07, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

I guess GS is lying when they called the NES Punch-Out!! "Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream". - A Link to the Past (talk) 15:34, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah and if you look at the box on Gamestop you'd note that Mr. Dream isn't mentioned anywhere on the front, is not mentioned on the cartridge and is not mentioned on the start screen. It simply says Punch-Out!! Essembi (talk) 17:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

And that only means that they didn't write it on the box. It does NOT mean that it's not the real title for the NES re-release. Are you saying GameSpot is wrong? - A Link to the Past (talk) 21:22, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Regardless of who is right though the fact that the Mr. Dream name isn't mentioned on anything flies in the face of your "it's the more recognizable title" argument now doesn't it? Essembi (talk) 14:11, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I am back now and Essembi is right and GameSpot IS DEAD WRONG... The NES re-release from 1990 is and was known simply as 'Punch-Out!!' NO reference to the 'featuring Mr. Dream' title is made on the box, booklet, cartridge, or in the game itself and I know this for a fact as I own both versions for the NES. The NES re-release was NEVER titled as 'Punch-Out!! featuring Mr. Dream'. As for what it is best known as, your statement that 'Punch-Out!! featuring Mr. Dream' is "now a more well-known name" is simply ludicrous and has no backing. Even on your much heralded Gamespot.com, Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! is on a separate page from the Wii version and the NES 'Punch-Out!!' re-release and it is ranked much higher than the others. In fact Mike Tyson's Punch-Out! is ranked #4 for all NES games (More popular than Mario 2, Link, Tetris, Metroid, Mega Man, Dragon Warrior and Final Fantasy), and the gamespot page has many more screenshots, videos, reviews than the others and therefore is obviously the definitive version of the game on the site. Other popular video game sites give similar results such as Moby Games (http://www.mobygames.com/game/nes/mike-tysons-punch-out), Game FAQS and IGN. These three sites by the way DO NOT list the NES re-release Punch-Out!! as 'Punch-Out!! featuring Mr. Dream', it is just listed as 'Punch-Out!!' like myself and Essembi have stated. A google search for "Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!" (in quotes) brings 129,000 results while "Punch-Out!! featuring Mr. Dream" (in quotes) gives only 49,100 results. On You Tube the originals popularity is quite evident as only TWO videos come up when "Punch-Out!! featuring Mr. Dream" (in quotes) is searched for, and 273 videos come up when you search for "Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!" (in quotes). I have found on the internet that Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! alone has sold over 3 million copies, while the TOTAL of all Wii virtual console downloads is at 10 Million; so unless 'Punch-Out!! featuring Mr. Dream' accounts for over 30% of all games ever downloaded on the virtual console then it is hardly more popular or more well-known under that name. All through-out the internet, in top 10 lists, top video game lists of all time, video game history articles, and through-out video game pop culture; the game is clearly and undeniabley more well known as Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!... and after all this article is mainly in reference to the original and best known 80s version for the NES, the definitive Mike Tyson version.pretzolio (talk) 05:32, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Because that proves it's more well-known now, how? Why do you refuse to explain how non-fans are helped by the title "Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!"?

Regardless, this is the preferred option. It refers to both versions of the game - Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! and Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream, which IS the official name for the altered version of the game according to the copyright holders and GameSpot - your stance basically requires that Nintendo of America and GameSpot are lying. Oh, and GameFAQs. And all the people who use the title.

And the article refers to the Mike Tyson version because of it being the original version, not because it's the "definitive" version. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:41, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Well we can agree to disagree on a lot of points, but I do agree with the compromise. Thanks. On a side note - Do you think that this video game version of Punch-Out!! is more relevant than the arcade Punch-Out!! in which typing in the word 'Punch-Out!! currently directs to? pretzolio (talk) 06:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I'd support a seperate page with all of the Punch-Out!! video games linked. Essembi (talk) 14:11, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad we've come to a conclusion to this. And to answer your question, I do believe that the arcade version is not anywhere near the notability of this game. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:53, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Nintendo Power magazine also referred to it as "Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream" in one of their anniversary issues. Parrothead1983 (talk) 04:06, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

What should 'Punch-Out!!' link to?

Do you think that this video game version of Punch-Out!! is more relevant than the arcade Punch-Out!! in which typing in the word 'Punch-Out!! currently directs to? pretzolio (talk) 06:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Of course. But I think the main article 'Punch-Out!!' should not redirect to any particular game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.81.218.250 (talk) 08:55, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Super Smash Brothers Brawl

Little Mac was recently confirmed as a useable item in Brawl.

As im not so good with the wiki stuff, i think this needs to get added —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.2.231.203 (talk) 15:31, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

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Bald Bull - The second encounter description

Not too good with wikis, but it currently reads: "Former Major Circuit champion, sporting a significantly improved constitution as he requires a star to be knocked down."

I know it's not a walkthrough, but obviously this is a bit misleading and might should be reworded:

"Former Major Circuit champion, sporting a significantly improved constitution as he requires a star to be knocked down when not countering his special attack, the Bull Charge." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.144.90.69 (talk) 23:08, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

The whole section was fairly inappropriate. - A Link to the Past (talk) 17:34, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

About Tyson/Mr.Dream's quote

So, one of Tyson's (or Mr.Dream's) intermission phrases was:

Hey! Is this kid a joke? Where is the real challenger

May it have some relation to the fact "newspaper"'s date is April 1 1987?

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was moved to Punch Out!! (NES). No prejudice against merge suggested by User:Wilhelm meis -- Aervanath (talk) 16:41, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

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• I suggest that this article be renamed Punch-Out!! (NES). This is due to the fact that the original arcade game and the Wii version are also called Punch-Out!! Richiekim (talk) 13:40, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
• This article already exists, since February. See Punch-Out!! (Wii). Wilhelm_meis (talk) 01:27, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
  • That is not what the nominator is suggesting though. They are suggesting that Puchout (nes) is a better term because Puchout (video game) could apply to the arcade and Wii game not that the Wii version article does not exist. --76.65.140.230 (talk) 01:35, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
    • I see. There is a string of articles (inlcuding the Wii stub) that roughly reflects the string of (Nintendo) video game adaptations of this arcade game (also by Nintendo). I'm still not sure we need to move all these articles around to disambiguate, but rather perhaps we should look at merging. Since these are all different versions of the same game, all by Nintendo, I think they could peacefully coexist in one article, and with fewer ambiguity issues. While I think the game (all its various adaptations and versions taken together) probably has sufficient WP:NOTABILITY, I doubt they pass the Pokemon test. It might be more useful to readers to just bring them all into one article, chronicling the development from arcade game to Wii game, explaining each different version in a separate section. This is a little outside of my usual area, though, so I think I'll let the editors from WP:WikiProject Video games take it from here. Wilhelm_meis (talk) 04:22, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
• Moved from WP:RM. 199.125.109.126 (talk) 16:37, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
• Wouldn't this duplicate Punch-Out!! (Wii)? Wilhelm_meis (talk) 01:29, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
• Move to Punch-Out!! (Nintendo)? NES (disambiguation) lists 17 things that NES could mean. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:43, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
• Support - while NES has many meanings, in the context of "Punch Out!!", I'd say it's unambiguous—I doubt anyone would confuse it with any of the other entries. That, and NES defaults to the Nintendo Entertainment System. The SNES version is dabbed in a similar manner: Super Punch-Out!! (Super NES), I see no problem with doing the same here. Parsecboy (talk) 11:09, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Gold Version has mike tyson graphics in it

The "Gold Version" is mentioned as being released before Nintendo got the idea to put Tyson in the game, yet the ROM for the gold version has Mike Tyson sprites and other paraphernalia strewn throughout the character ROM.

This would mean that either the ROM dump for the game has fabricated CHR data, or the claim in the article is incorrect.--Dwedit (talk) 04:07, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Proposed merger

• Propose merger of Punch-Out!! (arcade game), Punch-Out!! (NES) and Punch-Out!! (Wii), into Punch-Out!! (video game) (over redirect) Punch-Out!!. These are are all versions of the same game produced by Nintendo (yes, even the arcade game) and they fail the Pokemon Test. The Punch-Out!! game itself is far more notable than any one of its versions, and these many short articles would better serve the reader as one article that discusses all these versions. Wilhelm_meis (talk) 11:44, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I know it's not 'hard evidence', but FYI the version that gets the most Google hits by far is "Punch-Out!! +Wii -NES -arcade -wikipedia", at just over 1 million hits, but searching for "Punch-Out!! -wikipedia" gets over 11 million hits. This is a general indication that the game itself is significantly more notable than any one version. By the way, "Punch-Out!! +Wii +NES +arcade -wikipedia" gets about as many hits as the NES version. But don't take my word for it, check for yourselves and discuss. Wilhelm_meis (talk) 11:55, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Support: It seems a little ridiculous to have such undeveloped articles separated when they are all so similar. BOVINEBOY2008 15:54, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Against: They may have the same title, but they're all different video games. I don't see Sonic the Hedgehog (16-bit) merging with Sonic the Hedgehog (8-bit) and Sonic the Hedgehog 2006, after all. --Evildevil (talk) 05:01, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

I am not sure if they should be merged but the fact that 8 and 16 but Sonic games are not merged is not a very stong argument since it may very well be possible that they should be merged as well. The 2006 Sonic game has an entirely different plot from the original game which is not the case for this game so that article being seperate is irrelevent. --70.24.177.86 (talk) 22:53, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. Just because articles X and Y haven't been merged yet is no argument that articles A and B shouldn't be merged. For that matter, just because articles X and Y haven't been merged does not even suggest that they (X and Y) shouldn't be merged. Different versions of the same game are not separately notable, and this likely applies to Sonic the Hedgehog too. These Puch-Out!! games do not just have the same title, they are versions of the same game, all produced by Nintendo. Are the four different versions of the Broken EP by Nine Inch Nails separately notable? Should that article be split into four articles (1 for the US version without bonus tracks, 2 for the version with "hidden" tracks, 3 for the version with the bonus tracks on a minidisc, 4 for the UK import version)? Regardless of the fact that the differences between all of these versions can be summed up in a single paragraph, I just don't think different versions of anything are separately notable except in a few cases. But maybe I'm really missing something here. Wilhelm_meis (talk) 11:26, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

To reiterate one thing the 2006 sonic game is not a new version of the original game but a new game that happens to share the same title with a unrelated plot and muliptle characters that were not in the original game. If anyone does want to merge the 8 and 16 bit games they should leave the 2006 game out since there is little if any chance for a consensus to merge that one. --76.71.211.44 (talk) 19:47, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

The Wii game is not a version of the NES game! "Punch Out featuring Mr. Dream" was version of "Mike Tyson's Punch Out", the Wii version is not. There should be a minimum of three articles. The original Punch Out!, Super Punch Out!, and the Wii Punch Out! (I can't comment on the arcades as I'm not familiar with them, but they may just be similar to a console version today and thus can be merged into one of the respective three articles). Additionally, a Punch Out Series article is entirely possible and could even be made if people were so inclined. JUST BECAUSE GAMES HAVE THE SAME NAME DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE RE-RELEASES OR DIFFERENT VERSIONS!!!24.190.34.219 (talk) 20:09, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Against: The only games in the series that really strike me as being "versions of the same game" are the arcade versions of Punch-Out and Super Punch-Out, as the games' engines are practically identical. At any rate, the NES game is decidedly different from the arcade one, as is the Wii version from the looks of things, so shoving them together seems a bit awkward. (Also, I'd say that the ridiculous multitude of Tetris versions with their own articles would be a far more apt comparison than the Sonic thing....though, of course, those kinds of arguments don't really work anyway.) --JessTehSkox (talk) 09:56, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Gameplay and characters seems to be pretty much the same between all the versions, the graphical style is the major difference (which could be explained to the major differences between the hardware of the arcade cabinet, NES and Wii). --Mika1h (talk) 18:03, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

The Wii version has a similar but NOT identical cast. Secondly, the inclusion of motion controls is a huge factor and completely changes the gameplay of the Wii versions. Finally, different development teams. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.190.34.219 (talk) 20:06, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Against: If you're gonna merge these games into one article, then you might as well include the Super Punch-Out!! arcade and SNES games - and there's already an article discussing the Punch-Out!! series in general, making the merger redundant --Richiekim (talk) 13:30, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I missed that. That is actually where we should merge to. Punch-Out!! (video game) also should either point there or be deleted. Sorry, but I don't see how the existence of an article about the series makes merging the fork articles "redundant". That is precisely what the product of the merger would be. The Punch-Out!! article just gives us a good starting place to bring the other articles into. I had avoided nominating the "Super Punch-Out!!" games because they have a distinct name and users searching for them will search "Super Punch-Out!!". Wilhelm_meis (talk) 14:35, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

The fact that you didn't include "Super Punch-Out" proposed merger shows your lack of an argument, simply because it had "Super" in the name. Actually, most people know Punch Out (NES) as "Mike Tysons' Punch Out" and many people would search that. In fact, the whole Mike Tyson feature and subsequent re-naming and licensing issue is enough to meet Wiki's notability guidelines for it's own article.24.190.34.219 (talk) 20:10, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I still disagree with the merger, since the combining of all the articles would make it too big and unwieldy. Look at the Mario Kart series. Like Punch-Out!!, the MK games have consistant gameplay elements, and yet contain noticable differences to justify separate articles for each game.Richiekim (talk) 18:06, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Then what about this? BOVINEBOY2008 18:13, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Against First, just because currently the individual articles are under-developed should not be used as a reason for mergal either, as each could be developed in full fledged articles (including such things as reviews, sales data, reception). Secondly, each are individual games not re-releases. There are major differences between the two. For example, "Mike Tyson's Punch Out" and "Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream" are the same game and should be in one article. That's a re-release. An argument could possible be made for merging "Punch Out (Arcade)" and "Punch Out (NES)" (and likewise Super Punch Out arcade with the SNES article) as I'm not entirely familiar with the differences between the arcade and console ports (and we don't make separate articles for all say the PS3 and 360 versions of games), however those two "Punch Out" and "Super Punch Out" should not be merged together. The Wii game has enough significant differences as well as outside references and media coverage to stand alone. Finally, all the games meet Wiki's notability requirements and thus can warrant their own articles. You can even make a "Punch Out! (Series)" article if you are really wanting a merged article, but the individual articles (at least three, Punch Out!, Super Punch Out!, and Punch Out! (Wii)) all should have their own articles. Just because sequels share the same name does not mean they are the same game. Additionally, there's also the matter of non-internal aspects of the game. There's more to a game than how it looks and plays. There's the fact about different teams and developers making the games and individual versions, reception of the individual versions, cultural impact (the original Punch Out!! has had significant impact while the sequels have not), and other factors.24.190.34.219 (talk) 20:10, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Against Are you kidding me? They're seperate games! --71.168.1.214 (talk) 21:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Against again I already posted, but I finally did some research on all the different versions and they are all vastly different games. First off, Punch Out Arcade had only 6 fighters, 2 of which have never appeared in any other game. Super Punch Out Arcade had 5, with the original Vodka Drunkenski instead of the later Soda Popisnki. Additionally, neither of the arcades had Little Mac or the Litte Mac back story. Additonally, the arcade games used unique wireframe type for the protagonist, Punch Out (NES) had 11 fighters (introducing 3 of them), first appearance of Little Mac, Dock Louis, used Referee Mario. Plus, the additional and later change of Mike Tyson give the game enough notability on it's own. Super Punch Out (SNES) had 16 fighters (introducing 11 of them, 9 of them are unique and have yet to appear in later games) and was actually more akin to the oringal arcade play style than the earlier NES. Punch Out Wii has 14 fighters, (introducing 2 of them), motion controls, and a bunch of other improvements. You're argument earlier that they all have the same fighters and controls is completely off base. They're all completely different games.

http://punchout.vgfort.com/boxers.php

They're all completely different games.24.190.34.219 (talk) 18:32, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Oppose merger and Call to remove 'merger discussion templates from articles. All three games are vastly different. Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! for the NES and Punch-Out!! for the Wii have received considerable coverage from many publications and websites over the years, satisfying WP:N and WP:V a thousand times over. Wilhelm_meis has exhibited little to no knowledge of video games in general with each response. I will be removing the templates in 24 hours. If Wilhelm_meis still protests, I suggest you take this discussion to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games, though it will only echo this talk page's clear consensus. This proposal has gone on far enough. Vodello (talk) 23:03, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Why release another version on the same console?

Does anyone know what motivated Nintendo to re-release the same game for NES with no upgrades? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.70.113 (talk) 17:52, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

A Question About Having Both Release Dates/Covers

Would anyone have a problem if I added the cover for the Tyson version to go along with the cover for the Mr. Dream version? And would anyone have a problem with the Mr. Dream version's release dates being added? Theichibun (talk) 02:49, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm opposed to second box art, unopposed to second release date. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 19:51, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

MTPO is more a port of arcade PO than arcade SPO

With regard to the following:

"It is a port of both the Punch-Out!! and Super Punch-Out!! arcade games (mostly the latter) with some variations."

That is false. It is more similar to arcade Punch-Out than to arcade Super Punch-Out. With regard to the 11 opponents, 4 of them appeared in arcade Punch-Out, in whole or in part: Glass Joe, Piston Honda (Piston Hurricane), Bald Bull, and Mr. Sandman.

3 of them appeared in arcade Super Punch-Out, in whole or in part: Great Tiger, Soda Popinski (Vodka Drunkenski), and Super Macho Man.

The remaining 4 were new: Von Kaiser, Don Flamenco, King Hippo, and Mike Tyson.

In addition to having more opponents from arcade PO than from arcade SPO, MTPO also lacks the "duck" function of SPO, which is a critical distinction between PO and SPO; even the 1994 SNES SPO had the "duck" function. MTPO also lacks the top 3 fastest KO times record keeping function that arcade PO also lacks, but arcade SPO has.

If pointing out which arcade game MTPO is "mostly a port of" is important, then it should be changed to "mostly the former". SNES SPO is the home console game that is mostly a port of arcade SPO, because it has the "duck" function and fastest KO times record keeping function. – MaximRecoil (talk) 06:39, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Game title & box art norms

I'm surprised and perplexed at the title & choice of box art currently in use, as the norm on Wikipedia is to use the title & box art from either the first edition or the best-known version. IMHO we can't count the arcade game "Punch-Out!!" as the first edition, as the Famicom/NES title was designed separately to match the console hardware (and is thus clearly a distinct game), rather than as a port. So it seems to me there are two logical options: either use the name & box art from the original Famicom game "Punch-Out!!" or go with the name & art for the initial North American run & subsequent Famicom title "Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!" It doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense to use the title and art from a very-little-known re-release, even if the best-known/first North American version starred a guy whose actions were repugnant. —xyzzy 07:55, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Proposed unmerger

Mike Tyson's Punch-Out is the 5th best selling NES page of all time and should have it's own article.

2601:199:4280:22E0:1553:F7C4:CDEC:6873 (talk) 00:20, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Easter Egg ?

An internet article appeared in April 2016 on how to observe the beareded man in the crowd, his movements signaled when to throw a knockout punch.

http://www.polygon.com/2016/4/9/11397458/mike-tysons-punch-out-bearded-man-easter-egg-bald-bull-piston-honda — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.144.230 (talk) 09:04, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Something about listing the Virtual Console versions in the infobox.

I realized that the Virtual Console releases for the Wii, Wii U and Nintendo 3DS are labeled in the infobox, but none of the other retro (and present) video games are not. Why not just add the Virtual Console releases in the infobox like in the past? Zacharyalejandro (talk) 18:42, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

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I feel that it may be worthwhile to move the article to Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!, as it is quite notable under this title and is ubiquitously known as the NES one. - Bryn (talk) (contributions) 08:40, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

citation needed?

Should this article really the line that Tyson "is noted as one of the hardest bosses in video game history"? without any citations? Because personally, I don't know ANYONE that thinks that. Most people don't even think he is the hardest opponent IN THIS GAME! Once you get past that first 90 seconds of 1 punch knockdown uppercuts, he was easier than Super Macho Man. And he was one of the simplest patterns to memorize. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.116.29.82 (talk) 22:09, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Reception section

The "reception" section contains many inconsistencies and at least two clearly false quotes. Reference 38 (if you check it) clearly refers to "the GREAT arcade boxing game" and calls Punch-Out!! "THE BEST" boxing game for the NES. It also gave a rating of 94%, not 43% as in the side box. I went ahead and corrected these. But the section contains so many inconsistencies that I'm suspicious of all the claims being made. I don't have access to references 39 or 40, but I would treat any statement based on those with suspicion. In fact, I think the whole "reception" section needs a rewrite. Every source I checked reviewed the game positively, and yet the game is the "second worst after Super Mario Bros."??? (I suspect a disruptive editor has been through here but I don't want to cast aspersions). — Preceding unsigned comment added by WeirdNAnnoyed (talk • contribs) 18:51, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

@WeirdNAnnoyed: Yeah that's very weird and annoying, and just vandalism. I reverted it. And it's just Wikipedia's non-notification system that emailed me of your message here but not of those edits. I reported it to WP:AIV and I'll report elsewhere if that doesn't work. Thanks. — Smuckola(talk) 21:04, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. 2604:2D80:6787:C300:1403:849A:4425:6C7E (talk) 03:23, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Glass Joe's music is La Marseillaise

Before the fight begins with Glass Joe, the game's French boxer, he is introduced to the tune of the French national anthem, La Marseillaise (embedded here). Here's a YouTube video of the Glass Joe fight — the music appears within the first ten seconds of the video. I'd like to edit this article to mention this fact in the Music section, which also mentions other relevant themes the game uses to introduce some of the other fighters (such as The Song of the Volga Boatmen for the Russian boxer Soda Popinski). The problem is, I don't know how to find a source to provide a citation for something like this. Does it need one? If one listens to the game's music and La Marseillaise, it really is clear that it's the same tune. I would like this to have a citation because all the other tunes listed in that section have citations. Can anyone help me with this? Modus Ponens (talk) 18:03, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Alright, I just refreshed my familiarity with the "be bold" policy, so I'm just gonna add it. I welcome any "citation needed" tag that ends up there, though I'm not likely to know where to find a citation. Modus Ponens (talk) 03:25, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

@Modus Ponens: I think this might be obvious enough to not absolutely require a citation according to WP:BLUESKY. — Smuckola(talk) 05:20, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

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