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this is so biased. Didn't expect this from Wiki. 103.85.207.89 (talk) 18:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could you elaborate more about which portions are biased? 𝙴𝚛𝚖𝚊𝚗𝚊𝚛𝚒𝚌 𝙴𝚗𝚓𝚘𝚢𝚎𝚛 (talk) 18:12, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will elaborate. The lead, which talks about democratic backsliding, islamophobia and the failed airstrikes. Any attempt to bring neutrality is reverted. If you want i can go line by line and explain. Pharaoh496 (talk) 12:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Pharaoh496 yes i agree, it's so biased and it seems like his lead is written by his opponents. Only his criticism is written all over lead. Loveforwiki (talk) 02:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Correct, the article is highly misleading and bigoted towards vested interests from overseas factories of hate and manipulation. Wikipedia losing its integrity day by day over pleasing the left liberal agenda which is so far away from the truth. Lordvoldy007 (talk) 18:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We could consider choosing a lead image such as this or a cropped version of that, as long as there is no better alternative. The current one is of poor technical quality. –Tobias (talk) 11:05, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. but if they release a new portrait within this year, maybe with more high-quality i think they need to change the current one MAL MALDIVE (talk) 07:54, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Wafflefrites that the lead is too long, even for the length of the whole article. I already rewrote it which was reverted soon after. Is there any sensible reason for keeping the lead that long or does someone have additional ideas to my revision of it? –Tobias (talk) 14:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have re-tagged the lead being too long per MOS:LEADLENGTH. Follow Wikipedia’s Manual of Style, the lead should be four paragraphs for long articles. This article’s lead is too long and should be trimmed. Tagging @Vanamonde93 who did the reversion so everyone involved is aware of the lead length guidelines. Wafflefrites (talk) 15:03, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Quoting the guideline you cite: "As a general guideline—but not absolute rule—the lead should usually be no longer than four paragraphs". A guideline in the MOS does not give you license to unilaterally modify the lead. This is a long and complex topic, and the lead needs to summarize the body in a way that does not violate NPOV, which the revisions did. I am open to attempting to compress the lead, but that needs to happen through discussion. I would suggest omitting the following fragments: "and the deaths of six Indian personnel to friendly fire were later revealed"; "sometimes with the complicity of police forces controlled by the Modi administration"; and "according to the World Health Organization's estimates". The trivia in the first paragraph about him being the longest-serving non-INC prime minister can also probably go. Vanamonde93 (talk) 15:41, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And nothing gives you the license to universally prevent changes. To be honest, your suggestions seem more like a NPOV violation than anything I have done so far, to just omit involvement of the administration in dead people. Additionally, I have removed several redundant sentences for the same reason—the lead is unnecessarily and preventably long. –Tobias (talk) 15:52, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are obligated by policy to obtain consensus for a change. Since your edits were reverted, you need to justify them on the substance. And many of them are just not going to fly; you removed, for instance, the description of the RSS; the assessment of Modi's social policies; and even the mention of his first election as Prime Minister. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Description of the RSS is something that belongs in the article about them, this is about Modi. I moved his political ideology to this spot. If you refer to "which have been cited as evidence of a majoritarian and exclusionary social agenda", that's one example that goes too much into detail. Therefore, the content is more suitable for the body text. I am okay with just adding the words "prime minister" to the mention of his first won election to clarify that it was the one that made him prime minister. –Tobias (talk) 17:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you think those pieces of information are unimportant, please spend more time reading the sources this article is built on. The nature of the RSS, and the impact of Modi's policy, are major themes in scholarship about Modi, far more than - for instance - his marriage, or even his policies as chief minister. Vanamonde93 (talk) 18:52, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I trimmed "and the deaths of six Indian personnel to friendly fire were later revealed" and "sometimes with the complicity of police forces controlled by the Modi administration". Please feel free to revert if you disagree. Wafflefrites (talk) 21:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Appears fine to me – I feel like the exact fatalities of any riot isn't that important as well, at least in the lead and that this is detailed information for the body text. –Tobias (talk) 22:18, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think it will be hard to compress the lead. Modi has been the prime minister for 10 years, and was a controversial chief minister before that. Reading through the lead, we could shorten it by rewriting sentences in a more compact manner but I can't see anything that should be chucked out. Also, apparently the complaint is the number of paragraphs and that should be easy to address by merging para 2 with the Gujarat part of para 3, and the rest of para 3 into para 4 (and using shorter sentences with fewer clauses to address the length of para 4). RegentsPark (comment) 16:01, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I think merging paragraphs and shorter sentences would help. The lead should be a summary of the body, and the Lead too long maintenance tag suggests moving details to the body. I think combining paragraphs/ trimming sentences would help with summarizing details. Wafflefrites (talk) 16:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. The sentences I highlighted above strike me as ones with unnecessary detail, but I'm open to suggestions about condensing. I'm less sure about the paragraphs; 3 is long, and 4 is about his prime ministership, making Gujarat material odd there in my view. I'm more inclined to merge 1 & 2. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:51, 11 June 2024 (UTC) never mind, I was looking at the wrong version. I'm okay with the paragraph split proposed by RP. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:53, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That sounds like a reasonable option. You're right, there isn't much that can be omitted, even though I wouldn't say nothing, but merging of sentences and paragraphs is likely to contribute to conciseness and, as a consequence, shortness. –Tobias (talk) 17:05, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see anything which can be taken out as well. No objection/support to splitting/merging paras. — hako9 (talk) 00:28, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why does the Infobox have bullet points; in articles of World leaders like Joe Biden, Emmanuel Macron or Ursula von der Leyen there are no bullet points in the article instead they use {{plainlist}} or simply just <br />. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 08:19, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
level-5 vital article is rated GA-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
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