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Attraction to a specific body-type doesn't discredit allegations of racism[edit]

Under "Victims," the article states that Dahmer's crimes weren't racially motivated because of the findings of an "independent forensic specialists' study of Dahmer's victim selection." This explanation isn't sufficient as the study only says that he was attracted to a certain body-type, not that race was irrelevant to him. Sexual preference for a specific physical look and racism aren't diametrically opposed. In fact, there's often overlap. Tryingtomaketheworldbetter (talk) 06:21, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

He did not kill them because he hated the color of their skin. CJC-DI (talk) 16:35, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps he picked them cause he didn't have much respect for blacks...terrible..they were really nice guys 92.8.214.18 (talk) 14:30, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note 22 seems to address this issue quite neatly. I'm not sure any more is needed. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:40, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lionel Herbert Dahmer's death[edit]

Hello, His father, Lionel Herbert Dahmer, has died. Please check his article. 190.246.97.81 (talk) 17:43, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Updated.

Jonathan Deamer (talk) 15:21, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 12 December 2023[edit]

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Please change "He died of natural causes eleven months later." to "He died of natural causes on December 5, 2023."

^[1] SableRain (talk) 22:18, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 15:23, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

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Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2024[edit]

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Jeffery Dahmer killed himself 149.50.166.209 (talk) 22:40, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No. he was he was beaten to death by Christopher Scarver. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:43, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cartoon[edit]

The upload page for File:Photo of Cartoon From 1978 Revere High School Yearbook.jpg says nothing about where Dahmer is depicted or what he is doing. How do we know this? How could that be made clear to the reader? Does this image have any real encyclopaedic value? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:59, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The caption has now had "(center right)" added here. I don't think that solves the problem. Which figure is he? How do we know that's him? The image uploader, Aiwass21, claims that image is "own work", but gives no details about where Dahmer is depicted. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:27, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aiwass21, I wonder could you please respond here before re-adding that text to the caption? Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:33, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Could I ask long-time editor Kieronoldham if he has a view? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:16, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Martinevans123. Dahmer is in the lower right of the image directly in front of the individual holding the loudhailer or tuba instrument. He's depicted in a "Doing a Dahmer" posture.--Kieronoldham (talk) 18:05, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah thanks, now I see. But I'm not sure how the reader would know that just from "center right". I'm not sure how to improve that signposting. I was also wondering about the copyright status of the image, as Aiwass21 has uploaded it as "own work", which seems somewhat surprising. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't realise Aiwass21 has uploaded it as "own work". Surely this will be addressed by the editor.--Kieronoldham (talk) 18:27, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The drawing is by Derf Backderf. It also appears in his book "My Friend Dahmer". CJC-DI (talk) 03:43, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah thanks. I see that book has its own article at My Friend Dahmer. I had anticipated that the image would soon be nominated for deletion as a violation of copyright. But I now see that Aiwass21 has now clarified, at the upload page, that it is not copyright protected. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC) p.s. the image might be a useful addition at My Friend Dahmer?[reply]

Personally I believe the image would serve a better purpose on that article as opposed to the Jeffrey Dahmer one, Martinevans123.--Kieronoldham (talk) 20:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I tend to agree. Aiwass21, what is your view? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:01, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Have removed the image and added it to the Derf Backderf page, Martinevans123. Hopefully Aiwass21 has no issue as, to my mind, the illustration somewhat trivializes this article.--Kieronoldham (talk) 21:51, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Attestation of Milwaukee Monster, circular?[edit]

I don't recall hearing Dahmer being called "Milwaukee Monster", and the source given appears to be drawing from this Wikipedia article. Is it a case of a circular ref? Even if it is not circular, was the use of this moniker widespread? Abductive (reasoning) 21:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not as widespread as "Milwaukee Cannibal", but he is known as the "Milwaukee Monster" too. There is even a book with that title.--Kieronoldham (talk) 21:44, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, so then there is a possibility that it is not a moniker—that it does not deserve to be in the lead, bolded. Rather, it is a book title that is not used in regular parlance? Abductive (reasoning) 21:51, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I never said that.--Kieronoldham (talk) 22:08, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Biography citation is from 2023. The bolded term appears in this article before that. Therefore, under WP:CHALLENGE I challenged it. I will remove it from the article. Please provide a citation that is non-circular. Abductive (reasoning) 23:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am also concerned that the Fido book does not appear to contain the term. What is needed is a secondary source that attests to the use of the term as a moniker or nickname, not that just uses it in the course of the writing. In other words, I am sure that somebody has strung together the words "Milwaukee monster" when talking or writing about Dahmer, but is it what he is called, the way that "Son of Sam" means David Berkowitz? Abductive (reasoning) 23:16, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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