Talk:Stadium

Notes

I saw stadium on a 'most wanted' list, so I started a stub. It's going to need a lot of work. Bluelion 08:19 Feb 20, 2003 (UTC)

The second sentence is a non sequitur following the first, but I'm not really sure how to correct it without removing both of them. RickK 02:23 24 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Am looking at writing a small page on pitch care....laying the turf, looking after the grass etc. Anyone interested in joining in...or know other pages which cover this?

I hope to draw on the type of information shown here

• Soccer pitch construction This web page has a slide show which shows , quite graphically, some of the issues involved. However there is much more than is displayed here and hopefully we can end up with a good wiki article.

Collieman 20:33, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I have written a small page about Turf management. It includes a section on soccer pitches and would appreciate any feed back. IndianSunset 16:09, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Photos

I have added several photos of different types of Stadiums. All of the photos I have included have been of particually large or impressive stadium. Please go ahead and add more. As there are so many variations on stadiums too many pics isnt enough. Ronan.evans 12:01, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Skydome

Is the Skydome (Rogers), a retractable-domed, astroturfed stadium really a "typical example" of a baseball stadium? Troymccluresf 21:32, 21 June 2006 (UTC)Troymccluresf

I'll edit that out and call it something like a ultra modern stadium. Ronan.evans 09:32, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Units

Has anyone else heard of "stadia" being used as a unit of length? For example the Geography by Strabo he often describes distance in this manner, probably the same way people nowadays use "football fields" from what I can tell.

Does anyone else agree that this page seems to be too US orientated?

Also a little part on music played at stadiums?

Re units, you're inferring the etymology in the wrong direction. It is not analogous to modern use of "football fields" for distance. The unit of measure is the original word. The word later came to refer to a race track which was one stadium long. It then came to refer to the circular track with spectators where a stadium race was held, and then from that came to be any sporting arena. Iglew (talk) 06:39, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Stadiums in America

Is this article firstly about stadiums in America? Drogo 20:25, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

No its ment to be about around the world(Gnevin 23:45, 9 January 2007 (UTC))

Hence the picture of a Sydney stadium. Wahkeenah 00:11, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Stadium vs. Stadia

I have sometimes seen "stadia" in print, more often "stadiums", and I've never heard anyone say "stadia" out loud. It's always "stadiums". But I'm only listening to sports shows, and what do they know about this subject? So I did a quick search on Google for the words "stadiums" and "stadia", and it's about a 3.5 to 1 ratio. Oh, and by the way, wiktionary gives "stadiums" as the preferred. And I didn't write that entry. Wahkeenah 00:35, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Stadia would be in common enough spoken usage in Ireland but not the preferred the article is fine as is (Gnevin 00:37, 29 January 2007 (UTC))

Unfortunately, Stephen MUFC (talk · contribs) has unilaterally decided to change "stadiums" to "stadia" without discussion or concensus. →Wordbuilder (talk) 22:22, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't want to start an edit war by changing it back, but it's worth noting that the dictionary.com page cited by footnote does NOT support the contention that both plurals are accepted. It only shows that each plural is used for at least one of the definitions listed. "Stadia" is the preferred plural for the unit of distance (and probably for the bug one, too, but I'm not familiar with that usage), and that's why it's listed above. It does not follow that it is an accepted plural for the sports arena definition. In fact, using "stadia" in that context is a modern affectation. Iglew (talk) 06:36, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Using "stadia" sounds rather contrived to me and appears to be at odds with how we actually name articles and lists, so I've changed the usage to "stadiums". Dictionary.com does not list "stadia" first, and trying to claim that "stadium" is still a Latin word will obviously not hold up to scrutiny. If anyone wants to insist on this, I would really like to see some support for the notion. Anglicized plural forms of Latin loan words are common enough to to require us to use the original, "correct" plural forms.

Peter ^Isotalo 10:24, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Concur. - BilCat (talk) 15:39, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Stephen MUFC (talk · contribs) undid the changes made by Peter Isotalo (talk · contribs). I restored it to the latest version by Peter Isotalo. Hopefully Stephen MUFC will take part in the discussion rather than edit warring. →Wordbuilder (talk) 17:42, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

The entry for "stadium" Oxford English Dictionary appears to consider "stadiums" to be the common plural for the arena definition.

Peter ^Isotalo 11:57, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

I noticed that "stadia" seems to be occuring in the various World Cup articles. See for example 1994 World Cup (has both spellings), 1998 World Cup and 2002 World Cup. I'm assuming there are a lot more examples in other sports and stadium articles. Is this a matter of WP:ENGVAR or is it just a matter of some users preferring the "correct" Latin plural form over what seems (at least to me) to be the generally more common plural form? Is there any reason to use "stadia" in any articles on sports whatsoever?

Peter ^Isotalo 11:44, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't think the subject is technical enough to make it important to adhere to the correct Latin usage. It is a matter of WP:ENGVAR and, as such, should follow this guideline:

"When an article has evolved sufficiently for it to be clear which variety it employs, the whole article should continue to conform to that variety, unless there are reasons for changing it based on strong national ties to the topic. When an article has not yet evolved to that point, the variety chosen by the first major contributor should be adopted. Where an article that is not a stub shows no signs of which variety it is written in, the first person to make an edit that disambiguates the variety is equivalent to the first major contributor."

The first major contribution uses "stadiums" for the plural. Unless there is compelling reason to change it, "stadiums" should continue to be used as the plural form of the word in this article. →Wordbuilder (talk) 16:34, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

If its a matter of WP:ENGVAR, where would "stadia" be more common than "stadiums"?

Peter ^Isotalo 06:16, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm unsure where "stadia" is preferred to "stadiums", if anywhere. But, if that is the case, articles with strong national ties to that country should use "stadia" as the plural. Whichever is chosen, it should be used consistently throughout the article. →Wordbuilder (talk) 14:53, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm familiar with how WP:ENGVAR works and I agree that this is how it should be determined wherever it might be applicable. However, going by some sample googlings and some of the major dictionaries, I get the feeling that "stadiums" is actually the most common plural form in both American and British English. At least I've not been able to find any references to either plural form as particular to any national or regional English.

Peter ^Isotalo 20:01, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

The Wiktionary also makes clear that stadia is used in 'high-register contexts' as it is in most official documents, as such it would be simply inaccurate to use the corrupted plural 'stadiums', thus I have edited the page accordingly though I accept that some may disagree and that a revert may take effect. Grand High Most Ultimate Supreme Hochmeister of Wikipedia, the Universe and all parallel Universes (including Ireland and Wales) (talk) 16:51, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

For example http://legacy.london.gov.uk/view_press_release.jsp?releaseid=24505. Grand High Most Ultimate Supreme Hochmeister of Wikipedia, the Universe and all parallel Universes (including Ireland and Wales) (talk) 17:15, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

1) Wikitonary is not a reliable source, 2) borrowing language plural applies, 3) the clear consensus of editors is for stadiums and 4) British Government documents do not decide what plurals are on wikipedia. Please also be aware of WP:3RR. Snappy (talk) 18:27, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Stadiums is indeed more commonly used colloquially, but this is clearly a corruption that should not be continued. I give up, I've been trying to improve Wikipedia for five years but the nonsense of some can still prove a burden. Grand High Most Ultimate Supreme Hochmeister of Wikipedia, the Universe and all parallel Universes (including Ireland and Wales) (talk) 18:35, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

If you admit that Stadiums is indeed more commonly used then per common usage, that should be reflected in the article. It is not a corruption, its a reflection of the living changing language. P.S. I'd suggest you contact Jimbo Wales about your struggle against "nonsense". Snappy (talk) 18:55, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

If anything Stadia would be a courruption of the latin because it does not change with the Case it is being used in. The plural of stadium in Latin could be stadia, stadiōrum, or stadiīs depending on its grammatical function. Hitglenwithmycar (talk) 16:53, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Are you being serious? Of course the Latin plural wouldn't be a corruption of the Latin word. It's "stadia". Besides, common usage shouldn't dictate what is written in an encyclopaedia; it's supposed to be the other way around. An encyclopaedia is meant to tell people what's right, not to repeat the mistake that they've been making and tell them it's ok because other people do it too. The word is "stadia", not "stadiums". (WP Editor 2011 (talk) 07:31, 7 May 2012 (UTC))

Hillborough/Heysel

"Poor stadium design has contributed to disasters such as the Hillsborough disaster and the Heysel Stadium disaster."

That hardly tells the whole story. Perhaps this needs to be clarified.--Hack 03:59, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Let owners pay to build

Could something be said about the way taxpayers are "forced" to pay for building stadiums for rich owners & players? "If Steinbrenner and the owners of the Mets want new ballparks, they shouldn't pay for half, or whatever they are going to pay under the voodoo economics of these plans. They should do exactly what Peter Magowan did in San Francisco when he wanted to build Pac Bell Park: They should go to the bank and find a way to pay for all of it themselves." http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/sports/2001/12/07/2001-12-07_let_them_pay__let_them_pay__.html Stars4change (talk) 16:53, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Bleachers

In the US, the term "bleachers" currently refers only to bench type seats, usually the lowest priced seats. No one would use the term to refer to chair back seats, or to seating in general (unless the only seating is bleachers).Wschart (talk) 21:15, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Paragraph on ancient history of stadia

Hi folks, I just erased a very misleading paragraph. The paragraph stated as follows

The Greek hippodrome was the basic model for both the Roman stadium and the Roman circus. A hippodrome and a stadium may be of similar size, while the largest circus structures can have seating capacities up to ten times greater. In practice, however, the association of one of these three words with a given structure may be more the result of some naming convention than a reflection of any characteristic of its physical size or structure. Indeed, from one epoch to another the same structure many be known by different names. For example, the Stadium of Domitian was also known as the Circus Agonalis. In another example a structure at Aphrodisias can be found referred to as a stadium, or a hippodrome, while it has the size and structure of a small circus.

Objections. The Greeks had no hippodromes prior to being conquered by the Romans, and even then had fewer than the Romans. The hippodrome (a Greek word) originated in the Roman circus. Latin circus and Greek hippodrome are the same structures. The Romans had three types of stadium-like structures: circus (for horse races), amphitheatre (for gladiatorial combat), theatre (for drama and pantomime). No stadia. On the other hand, Greeks had theatres and stadia. No hippodromes or amphitheatres.

When the Romans conquered the East, they spread their horse races to the Greek areas, and their gladiatorial combats. Stadia were refurbished for horse races and theatres refurbished for gladiatorial combats.

All in all, we cannot have a Wikipedia page claiming that "The Greek hippodrome was the basic model for the Roman stadium and the Roman circus." Not only did the Romans have no stadia as such; it is the Roman circus that influenced and originated those few Greek and Byzantine structures that can be considered true hippodromes. You will find that ALL Greek/Byzantine hippodromes are from after the Roman conquest. Chariot racing in ancient Greece was a minor sport compared to human races, discus, javelin, boxing and wrestling.

I won't go on and on. The claim that the Greek hippodrome is prior to the Roman circus is false and opposite to the truth. A reference must be provided for such an astounding claim. Jroo222 (talk) 14:18, 11 May 2016 (UTC) </ref>

pre greek stadiums

wikipedia is very eurocentric and biased, but still it shouldn't be so biased as to take credit for the stadiums

The oldest known stadium is the one in Olympia, in the western Peloponnese, Greece, where the Olympic Games of antiquity were held from 776 BC

phoenician stadium at Amrita from 15th century BC

Phoenician stadium 1500 BC

there is also a stadium at dholavira, i think that Greek models were based on phoenician models because of the oblong plan of the Amrita stadium.

About 200 m (660 ft) northeast of the main temples of ancient Marathos and 180 m (590 ft) north of the Amrit Tell are the remains of a rock-carved Phoenician stadium. It is separated from the other two archaeological sites by the Nahr al-Amrit and a site called by the locals al-Meqla '(the quarry').[8] The Stadium of Amrit was first described in 1745 by Richard Pococke in Part 2 of his book, A Description of the East, and Some Other Countries, as the site where an ancient Circus was held.[9][10] Ernest Renan examined it in 1860 and discussed it in his book Mission de Phénicie, making the conclusion that the complex was not Roman in its entirety and that the stadium was undoubtedly Phoenician.[11] The stadium is about 225 to 230 meters long and 30 to 40 meters wide,[12] it has similar dimensions to the stadium of Olympia in Greece (213 × 31/32 meters). Seven rows of seats have been partially preserved.[13] The stadium was open to the west and had two entrances on the east side between seats. In addition, there was a tunnel to the interior. The stadium is located approximately at a right angle to the main temple of Amrit, the Maabed. The temples to the north and west have open sides or which the stadium forms a common intersection. It is believed that the Amrit stadium was the location for sacred competitions where anointing and funeral games took place.[13] Labib Boutros, former director of athletics at the American University of Beirut has conducted recent studies of the stadium and suggested that its construction may date back as far as 1500 BC, saying that the Amrit stadium was "devoted to sports in Phoenicia several centuries before the Olympic Games".[14]

Amrit Stadium 60.54.13.118 (talk) 07:31, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

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