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  4. Combat boosterism wherever it appears
  5. Ensure all articles, including Featured articles, are consistent with the article guidelines.


Requested move at Talk:Seton Hall reports#Requested move 28 March 2024[edit]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Seton Hall reports#Requested move 28 March 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 13:12, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:College of Arts and Sciences#Requested move 12 April 2024[edit]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:College of Arts and Sciences#Requested move 12 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 01:54, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:College of William & Mary#Requested move 11 April 2024[edit]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:College of William & Mary#Requested move 11 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 01:55, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Input Requested for one article[edit]

One article about Catherine Emihovich (the 12th dean of the university of Florida) has seen a lot of action lately. The editors name is @Shane emihovich and It says they have a close connection with her so additional editors would be nice to help out and make sure its biased.

Thanks! 2600:1700:A9D1:BAF0:E96D:4629:9499:3876 (talk) 23:33, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Additional input requested at Talk:Indiana University Bloomington[edit]

Can we get some fresh eyes on Talk:Indiana University Bloomington, specifically the newest section discussing a contested addition? Thanks! ElKevbo (talk) 22:49, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of universities and colleges in the State of Palestine, which have been damaged or detroyed?[edit]

Hi all

I notice that this page has a list of universities and colleges in Gaza and there are indiviudal articles for most of them. My assumption is this list is out of date and the individual articles are also out of date given that Israel has destroyed or damaged all universities in Gaza. I don't know enough about the topic to do a good job but these are the sources I found:

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 16:27, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

With the sources you've found, I think you're as prepared as anyone to update that list and its entries. The inclusion of the coat of arms of Palestine and "State of" in the title makes me wary that there may be some non-neutral bias toward trying to establish Palestine as a state. Every educational institution in Gaza probably needs a sentence or paragraph in its history section discussing what happened to it during the war. Sdkb talk 21:43, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Tbilisi Spiritual Seminary#Requested move 15 April 2024[edit]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Tbilisi Spiritual Seminary#Requested move 15 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ❯❯❯ Raydann(Talk) 21:21, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Union Theological Seminary (New York City) has been nominated for discussion[edit]

Category:Union Theological Seminary (New York City) has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Graham (talk) 19:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

University system alumni and faculty cats[edit]

Should the alumni and faculty cats for a university system such as University of Wisconsin System be made into container cats so all the articles must be diffused into the different colleges or are there too many exceptions to make this useful? For example, Category:University of Wisconsin alumni or Category:State University of New York faculty would be container cats. One issue is some of the subcats for colleges would have small numbers, which may raise objections. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 12:31, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not a category expert, but I'd say that we should always be categorizing someone by the specific school they went to, so a diffusion tag seems appropriate. Sdkb talk 15:14, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They should have relevant subcategories but be aware that not every bio will have sources that stop to make clear exactly which component they were in. You also have the issue of people who were at the institution before it became a system (e.g. Wisconsin) plus outside the US the importance of universities vis a vis component colleges can vary widely, sometimes even within the same institution. Timrollpickering (talk) 19:10, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Someone at UW-Madison before UW became a system should still be categorized under UW-Madison, I'd say — it's undergone a bureaucratic/name change, but the school itself is still the defining element. Sdkb talk 20:10, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at List of people associated with the University of London of List of University of Calcutta people, for example, there are a number of people for which the specific school is unknown, which would carry over into any categorisation. Even with the US, it might not be possible to tell (to continue the example above) if someone graduated from UW-Madison if the source only gives UW and no graduation date.
As WP:DIFFUSE is a general rule, people whose specific school is known should probably already be diffused rather than placed in the upper category. It might be better, therefore, to use {{Category diffuse}} rather than {{Container category}}. Robminchin (talk) 20:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
An additional confusion is that some institutions are organised so that someone can be an alum of a specific school but not of the parent federal institution. Many people attended University College London (or other London colleges) in the 19th century without ever matriculating in the University of London (Mahatma Ghandi being probably the most famous example), so it's not clear that diffusion is even possible in such cases. Sometimes institutions have left a federal arrangement to become independent (e.g., the University of Roehampton, Imperial College, Newcastle University, or the University of Dundee) or have moved from one federal arrangement to another (e.g., Regent's Park College, Oxford, part of the University of London 1901–1927). All of these would probably have to be considered non-diffusing as they aren't simply sub-categories. Robminchin (talk) 20:58, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Current discrepency between Wikipedia Guidelines[edit]

There is currently an inconsistency between the criteria on this page Wikipedia:College and university article advice with: 

"In general, most legitimate colleges and universities are notable and should be included on Wikipedia."

and the page on Notability 

"All universities, colleges and schools, including high schools, middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must either satisfy the notability guidelines for organizations (i.e., this page), the general notability guideline, or both. For-profit educational organizations and institutions are considered commercial organizations and must satisfy those criteria. (See also WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES.)"

This discrepancy has led to several university articles to be deleted as can be exemplified List of universities in Ecuador at some point most if not all the Universities had an article. I believe this divergance in criteria is leading to Systemic bias at least with regards to higher education in Ecuador. I've proposed to translate the existing articles for universities in Ecuador found in wikipedia.es, but wouldn't want to go through that process if they are going to be deleted for notability. HarveyPrototype (talk) 20:49, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of sentences further on, the article advice says: "This notability advice is an application of the general notability guideline to the articles this project covers, not a replacement of said guideline. Hence the advice is not intended to lend additional support to deletion discussions." The opening sentence is simply an observation, not a notability criteron, so there is no divergence. The general notability guideline does say that: "Sources may encompass published works in all forms and media, and in any language." If there is significant coverage of universities in Ecuador in Spanish-language sources (which still need to be reliable and independent), this can be used to establish notability.
However, I just looked through the red links at List of universities in Ecuador, and only three of them were previously deleted – most have never existed. The ones that were deleted were due to them being promotional, not (specifically) because of a lack of notability, so the notability guidelines don't appear to be the issue here. The most recent deletion is also lacking an article on the Spanish language Wikipedia, which appears to have been repeatedly deleted (and is now creation protected) due to being promotional (see [1]). It looks like there's no systemic bias, just the normal rules against promotional content being applied. Robminchin (talk) 21:17, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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