Talk:Epiphany (holiday)

Revelation of the Magi should not link here

Revelation of the Magi is a book by Brett Landau. That title should not redirect here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.60.126.246 (talk) 21:47, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Landau does not have an article, and the term was in-use well before Landau's book was published. Unless you can make a case for an article, there's no reason the redirect shouldn't point here. Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:50, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

I think that "revelation of the magi" should have a disambiguation page. The "Revelation of the Magi" is a Christian pseudepigraphon, as well as a book by it's translator, Brent C. Landau (Revelation of the Magi: The Lost Tale of the Wise Men's Journey to Bethlehem) based on it. When searching "revelation of the magi" on Google and Bing, the results talk of the 2, not the Epiphany. I've never heard of the phrase "Revelation of the magi" being used as another term of the Epiphany (although, yes WP:NWFCTM applies), but I don't see any results relating to it when I search it up. It's not even listed as another name in the article or on Britannica or any site I searched. The only thing coming close to it is this from worldhistory.org

"Another Greek term, epiphaneia ("appearance" or "manifestation") contributed to the English word 'epiphany,' a revelation."

Which I ... guess that would make "revelation of the magi" synonymous with the Epiphany? Or could you provide some examples for the Epiphany being called the Revelation of the Magi?

the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC would be about the Christian pseudepigraphon, not another name for the Epiphany, i think. And creating an article isn't a bad idea, one for the book and one for the pseudepigraphon. thoughts? — I'ma editor2022 ^{(🗣️💬 |📖📚)} 20:05, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Splitting proposal

I think that the section Eastern Orthodox Christian churches should be split into a separate page called Feast of Theophany. There is a big difference between the event being celebrated: the East celebrates the baptism of Jesus, while the West celebrates the three wise men's arrival. To me, this seems like a major enough difference that the contents should be split. Also, it is a redlinked article on this list of required articles for WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy. A more brief summary should still be included, with a link to the new article below the header. I would like to get consensus before doing anything, as a new editor. Thurm64^talk_{my edits} 05:38, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

User:Thurm64, rather than creating a new article, why not expand the article that currently exists about the Baptism of the Lord? Right now, information regarding the feast is already present in this article, as well as in the Baptism of the Lord and Theophany articles. For now, I have redirected the Feast of Theophany article to Baptism of the Lord, though if consensus is to create a new article, that redirect can easily be removed and replaced with content. I hope this helps. With regards, Anupam^Talk 06:13, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Finland

“Piparkakut or Finnish gingerbread cookies, in the shape of a star, are a treat typically served on this day. These cookies are broken in the palm of one's hand, while making a silent wish. If a piparkakku star should break into three pieces, and all three are eaten without speaking a word, it is said that the wish will come true.” I am Finnish, but this does not sound familiar. Is this somebody’s family tradition or a complete fabrication? --Silvonen (talk) 06:32, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Based on some googling[1], there may be such a tradition in Sweden, but I don’t know if it is associated with Epiphany there either. --Silvonen (talk) 06:55, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

While I'm not originally Finnish, an acquaintance of mine stumbled upon this wiki article and in the subsequent conversation five different Finns stated that they've never heard of this before. Moreover, there is no citation and the edit has been made by someone who has made other low-quality edits both here and elsewhere. I think this should be removed. Ashela (talk) 14:29, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Gingerbread tradition in Finland

The section "Finland" says:

Piparkakut or Finnish gingerbread cookies, in the shape of a star, are a treat typically served on this day. These cookies are broken in the palm of one's hand, while making a silent wish. If a piparkakku star should break into three pieces, and all three are eaten without speaking a word, it is said that the wish will come true.

I have lived in Finland all my life and have never heard of this tradition. Neither apparently has any other Finn. This came to my attention because of a question at the reference desk on the Finnish Wikipedia, where a user asked if anyone had ever heard of this tradition. Apparently the mention about this tradition was added ten years ago and marked as unsourced eight years ago, and it has been unsourced ever since. Has anyone ever heard of this tradition or can it finally be removed as unsourced for almost a decade? JIP | Talk 01:06, 6 January 2021 (UTC)