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West Virginia University Alma Mater was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 11 August 2010 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into West Virginia University. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

Eberly College of Arts and Sciences was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 16 September 2009 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into West Virginia University. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

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"Academic transformation" in the lede[edit]

An unregistered editor is insisting that this paragraph be added to the lede of this article:

In the summer and fall of 2023, WVU instituted a program of "academic transformation" that resulted in widespread criticism from national media, including Forbes^[1], the Nation^[2], and the Atlantic^[3], with the last decrying "the destruction of dozens of majors and careers at WVU." The Nation summed up much of the prevailing mood: "West Virginia University is being gutted, and it’s a preview for what’s in store for higher education."

First, this is really vague. Second, it doesn't merit inclusion in the lede of the article. It may help add some additional information to the history section where this is already discussed but so far it hasn't yet even merited its own section much less inclusion in the lede. In any case, it certainly doesn't warrant or excuse edit warring especially when the reversion doesn't even use an edit summary to explain why they're beginning an edit war. ElKevbo (talk) 01:24, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Also, it doesn't have the WP:DUE weight in the body. It might be better being integrated in its respective section. GuardianH (talk) 07:43, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It seems clearly worth inclusion in the pretty short lead, based on the extensive national press coverage. Should I find it suspicious that the various editors who have reinstated it there have been very quickly reverted? Any COIs in play? For my part I had never heard of the place before this. Johnbod (talk) 15:48, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Johnbod To avoid WP:RECENTISM it should have its due body weight. Given that you've never heard about the school previously and are advocating its inclusion, maybe you would be willing to WP:HANDLE in the body? ElKevbo and I have been working on highered articles for some time now; there's no sign of any COI among our edits. You should hear about the university more and add to the body. GuardianH (talk) 19:31, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? This doesn't make much sense! Johnbod (talk) 04:21, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Johnbod The statement should have its weight in the body before being placed in the lede. Since you want it in the lede, you should expand the existing material in the body. GuardianH (talk) 04:29, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Salzberg, Steven. "West Virginia Says It's Too Poor To Support Its Only Major University". Forbes. Retrieved 2024-01-13.
^ Corrigan, Lisa M. (2023-08-16). "The Evisceration of a Public University". ISSN 0027-8378. Retrieved 2024-01-13.
^ Powell, Michael (2023-12-03). "What Happens When a Poor State Guts Its Public University". The Atlantic. Retrieved 2024-01-13.

[1] Salzberg, Steven. "West Virginia Says It's Too Poor To Support Its Only Major University". Forbes. Retrieved 2024-01-13.

[2] Corrigan, Lisa M. (2023-08-16). "The Evisceration of a Public University". ISSN 0027-8378. Retrieved 2024-01-13.

[3] Powell, Michael (2023-12-03). "What Happens When a Poor State Guts Its Public University". The Atlantic. Retrieved 2024-01-13.

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