Talk:Jacques Rogge

Sporting Career

At present, this article seems very scant on biographical information. It reads as if Jacques Rogge went straight from physician to major sports administrator without any sporting background whatsoever. I'm pretty sure that he played for Belgium at rugby and took part in sailing at three Olympics. Perhaps you can use the Encyclopaedia Britannia as a starting point? http://www.britannica.com/biography/Jacques-Rogge Gmackematix (talk) 05:42, 11 October 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gmackematix (talk • contribs) 05:14, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Knighthood

I have search around, but I can't find any reference to Jacques Rogge being knighted. Does anyone else know anything? Rascalb 18:36, Sep 3, 2004 (UTC)

He was made a count on July 14th, 2002 (published on July 19th). He was a knight before that (but I don't know since when). I can't find any English references, but many Dutch or French ones (newspapers for example).

Strange statement

Regarding the statement Rogge also acted decisively in handling the judging and doping scandals, much to the chagrin of several European countries (France, Russia) who had assumed that their influence inside the IOC would prevent their offending athletes from disqualification., could someone provide references rel. to French or Russian athletes being disqualified at the Olympics ? who ? when ? where ? Otherwise please remove statement.Hektor 22:40, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

cannot agree with this statement. I delete it. - Zac Allan 18:29, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

• I assume the article is referring to this [1] incident.QuinnHK 02:30, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

does it matters if it's really cannot exist here as in the place of international agreement? - Zac Allan 18:30, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Last paragraph

Last paragraph is anecdotical and I don't think it fits in a biography article.Hektor 11:18, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Bias

It seems to me that this article is heavily biased in favor of Rogge. Could it be edited for neutrality? Potato 93 18:32, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I did a first effort. JH-man (talk) 08:57, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes we shouldmention his anti semitism and his guilty before innocent attitude toward Lance Armstrong.166.217.84.238 (talk) 17:14, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Bolt comments

this guy is an elitist snob who comes down hard on atheletes from poorer countries as opposed to congratulating them ... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.56.86.35 (talk) 21:43, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

• Agreed. I love how he condescends to Bolt but when faced with rampant evidence of the Chinese underage scandal--a case that really DOES need his moral authority--he does nothing. What a tool. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.161.118.150 (talk) 00:39, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation

How is the guy's name properly pronounced? I've heard various variations on IPA: [rɔx], [rɔʒ], and [rɔg]. As far as I can understand it, it would be [ˈʀɔχə] in Dutch (or Flemmish), and [ʁɔʒ] (or [ʁoʒ]?) in French. Does anyone know what is correct, and indeed whether he is a native speaker of French or Dutch? — EJ (talk) 13:13, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

He's a native Flemish speaker. I never looked into IPA, but I assume it would be [rɔgə]. JH-man (talk) 14:22, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. However, now I am puzzled even more. If the name is Flemish, why would it involve the [g] sound, which is essentially nonexistent in Flemish (or any other Dutch dialect, for that matter), apart from a handful of loanwords? Just to make sure we both talk about the same thing: IPA [g] denotes the sound occuring in English words like go, get, dog. Written "g" in Dutch normally represents the sound [x] (or its variant [χ]), which does not exist in standard English, and occurs e.g. in Dutch Gogh, Gouda, Haag, German Bach, Scottish loch, Polish Lech, Spanish Javier, Juan, Serbo-Croatian Bihać, Arabic Khalifa, Russian Khrushchev, and so on. Is Rogge pronounced with the former or with the latter? — EJ (talk) 12:58, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Like I said I have absolutely no experience with IPA... Is there an online resource that converts the code to actual sounds (for complete words?). Anyways: it is pronounced like the G in Gouda, which still differs from German Bach, I would say. Looking at the page on Dutch phonology, it sounds more like ɣ (like in gaan, Dutch for "to go"), to me. So then it would be [rɔɣə]

Incidentally, his name is pronounced exactly the same as the Dutch word for rye, rogge. JH-man (talk) 13:50, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the clarification, so [ˈrɔɣə] it is.

I didn't realize that "g" is voiced in standard Dutch, I've always heard it as [χ], but looking at Dutch phonology, that's probably explained by the fact that all the Dutch speakers I know are from the Amsterdam-Utrecht area. (For example, the article on Vincent van Gogh transcribes his name as [ˈvɪnsɛnt vɑn ˈɣɔx], but the recording it provides sounds rather like [ˈfɪnsɛnt fɑ̃ ˈχɔχ] to me, I certainly don't hear any difference between the two "g"s in Gogh as the guy uttered it.)

As for IPA-to-sound conversion, I've never seen such a tool, and I'm afraid it's in general impossible. For one thing, the transcription is usually broad or phonemic, so the sounds denoted by the same letter may actually sound somewhat differently in different languages, or depending on the context. Various subtle things happen when two sounds are adjacent, and complete words or phrases also carry suprasegmental features like intonation and stress which are generally not marked in the transcription, and which are heavily language-dependent. There are text-to-speech synthesizers for specific languages, but these typically do not work with IPA, but with usual orthography (though there is no technical reason for that). If you want to learn IPA, you can look at the IPA page. The article may be difficult to understand if you are not familiar with phonetics terminology, but if you follow the links there are generally sound samples which should clarify it. If you are interested in a specific language, it is much easier to look directly at its phonology page: for eaxmple, I think that the tables in the Dutch phonology article, together with the "one sound–one letter" principle, are more or less all you need to understand transcription of Dutch (though this approach may fail in the presence of regional differences in pronunciation). — EJ (talk) 15:51, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I've added a link to an audio recording of the Dutch word "rogge" (Image:Nl-rogge.ogg). Korg (talk) 00:09, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

The way it is pronounced in the file is different from the way it is pronounced in Flemish, which would be more correct since Rogge himself is Flemish. In Flemish, there is a difference between the 'ch' sound and the 'g' sound. In the file, the 'ch' sound is used, while it should be the Flemish 'g'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DarthSivius (talk • contribs) 08:02, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

How speakers of Dutch pronounce "Rogge" depends on where they come from. People who live in the middle and north of The Netherlands pronounce it [ˈʀɔxə]. People from the south of The Netherlands and speakers of Flemish pronounce it [ˈʀɔɣə]. I don't know anything about the χ sound so I am not able to say anything sensible about that.--azior (talk) 14:06, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Dear editor - citations and factual corrections

My name is Mark Adams and I am the director of communications at the International Olympic Committee. I would like to offer some citations and factual corrections to parts of President Jacques Rogge’s entry through an open discussion on this page with you.

My intention is not to sanitize the entry or highlight only the most positive aspects of President Rogge’s biography. I’d just like to provide some facts that are perhaps lesser known to the public and work with you to develop the most accurate page possible.

In the last paragraph under the “Biography” section, it reads, “Under his term, Rogge has been active in ensuring that baseball and softball be removed from the Olympic Programme.” In fact, President Rogge did not vote at the 117th IOC Session, when members of the Committee voted to not retain baseball or softball. The results of the Session vote on the Olympic Programme is kept completely secret — even from the IOC president — to avoid the unintentional “ranking” of sports among the international federations. President Rogge has taken a clear and strong stance against his endorsement or influence on the inclusion or exclusion of sports, including excusing himself from voting on these matters. He was quoted on the matter, saying, “I do not vote” in a Reuters article from March 30, 2009 (http://www.reuters.com/article/olympicsNews/idUSSP39684420090330). For more information about the evaluation process and criteria for selection in the Olympic Sports Programme, see an interview with President Rogge from June 2009 (http://www.olympic.org/MULTIMEDIAGALLERY/Default.aspx?Language=uk&itemID=f9671050-2dbc-4d83-b74a-1675e28c98f7&relatedList=f9671050-2dbc-4d83-b74a-1675e28c98f7).

Under the “Beijing Olympic controversy” section (which seems to be inaccurately titled given the information beneath), it reads, “He [Rogge] was also criticized by the Greek society for reportedly stating that ‘Greece won the gold medal in doping,’ referring to the disqualification of several Greek athletes due to use of performance enhancing drugs.” A November 9, 2008 article from Greek newspaper Kathimerini quotes Greece’s Olympic Committee head Minos Kyriakou — the alleged source of the quote — as saying, “I never said that the IOC president told me Greece won the gold medal in doping,” he said. “I spoke to Mr. Rogge many times but not about doping.” (http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_politics_1_11/09/2008_100323).

Including the comment about President Rogge from the Yahoo columnist Dan Wetzel in the paragraph about Usain Bolt seems one-sided, as other journalists have a different opinion. It would be more balanced to note this article as well, in which Rogge is characterized by the reporter quite differently: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2009/0523/1224247218291.html

On a positive note, I can confirm that President Rogge indeed prefers often to stay in the Olympic Village during the Games, doing so at the 2002 Winter Games in Salt Lake City, and the 2008 Summer Games in Beijing. For security reasons, it is not often publicly reported, but the New York Times did report on Rogge’s plans to stay in the Village in Salt Lake City on September 21, 2001 (http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/21/sports/olympics-rogge-given-authority-to-cancel-the-olympics.html).

We are committed to updating President Rogge’s page in a manner that is both transparent and balanced. Please let me know the best way to proceed to have these citations and facts added, and thank you for your help.

Mark Adams, International Olympic Committee —Preceding unsigned comment added by IolympicCommittee (talk • contribs) 16:12, 27 July 2009

First, let me clarify that there is no editor responsible for or assigned to this article (or any other Wikipedia article, for that matter). Anyone who passes by (such as myself) can edit the article. You have a clear conflict of interest with respect to this article, but that does not prevent you from editing it either; just make sure that you are familiar with our conflict of interest guidelines. Generally speaking, there is no problem with making non-controversial edits like fixing obvious errors or copyediting, however you should discuss more substantial or potentially controversial changes on this talk page and let others do it if they agree. The way you have done it above is perfect.

The claim about baseball and softball was unsourced, and as such it violated WP:BLP, so I just deleted it. (Overall speaking, this article makes an unnerving amount of unsourced claims. However, I take it that the other are not so problematic, since you did not complain about them.) The doping quote affair generated a lot of heat in Greece, and as such it is notable enough to warrant inclusion, but I have reformulated it so that it is clear that the quote is not genuine. I also included a quote from the Irish Times interview, since I agree that you have a point that the original formulation was one-sided.

Thank you for your attitude towards this article, I found your comment quite helpful. — Emil J. 16:07, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I am have many of the edits that you have requested, after checking all of your sources, they are accurate as well. Those parts in the original article was inaccurate, especially after the part about the Greek Gold for Doping came from a dead link. The first source about the Usain Bolt also came from a location that had no mention of what was being cited. Thank you for bring this subject to our attention. Dragoneye776 (talk) 22:22, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

This article should be incorporated

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-olympic-book31-2009oct31,0,2850412.story —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.204.132.85 (talk) 16:12, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

IOOC President Jacquess Rogge -

 With so many more nations and athletes  cometing in the Olympics, I think awardlng a medal for a fourth place finish should be given serious consideration.  It would not detract but add to the worldwide competition.  There are no great obstacles to overcome as I see it.  Adding a 4th-place medal would increase the competitive nature of the Olympic Games,

Sincerelyk Charles Gilgert crgilbert329@charter.net

g — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.134.39.104 (talk) 05:05, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Jacques as President of FIFA

Rogge will be joining FIFA; following the 2014 FIFA World Cup. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FallandSpringOlympics (talk • contribs) 22:42, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

This isn't a forum, all claims require a reliable citation. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 22:52, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

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