Talk:Southern Manifesto

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Notes[edit]

Well done. All information, no posturing. --Wetman 21:01, 12 February 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Should the Manifesto itself go to Wikisource, leaving the commentary and a summary here? I believe that is the routine for source material like this. Cheers, -Willmcw 10:49, 14 February 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The Note at the end of list of Senators signing is extraneous and does not appear in original source text:

Note: Senators Lyndon Johnson of Texas and Estes Kefauver and Albert Gore of Tennessee were the only Southern senators who refused to sign. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nobs (talk • contribs) 18:57, 6 March 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see anyone arguing against moving the text of the manifesto to Wikisource. Unless someone does do, I'll make the move. Cheers, -Willmcw 02:06, 9 March, 2005 (UTC)

Change Title[edit]

This title should be Southern Manifesto not The Southern Manifesto, as repeadtedly is errors are made when linking to this page. The Voting Rights Act and The Civil Rights Act of 1964 are similiarly not titled as such — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nobs (talk • contribs) 18:51, 30 March 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting fact[edit]

Here is an interesting fact: Lyndan Johnson, who was at that time the senate majority leader, was never asked to sign, nor did he receive the document. Legislators felt his devotion to Civil Rights would stand in their way. Minche, 2006 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minche (talk • contribs) 03:06, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is relevant to the article (which mentions that Johnson did not vote, but does not mention his Civil Rights efforts at the time). If there were a citation we could add it to the article... (will try to dig one up myself) babbage (talk) 19:20, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tennessee[edit]

It looks like we have the signatories and non-signatories in Tennessee reversed since the Badger article discusses Bass and Evins as signatories. I'll try to find another source to confirm that part of the list. JoshuaZ 15:46, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is definitely widespread confusion - it is because there were 5 Representatives that signed on between the time the list of names was read into the Congressional Record on March 12th, 1956 and the names were published in US News & World Report on March 23, 1956.

This includes Bass and Evins from Tennessee, and also Cramer, Jonas, and Dies Jr.

https://tigerprints.clemson.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2357&context=strom 174.74.149.26 (talk) 21:14, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Signatories and Non-Signatories[edit]

The "Signatories and Non-Signatories" section is completely confusing. I was left with very little idea who signed. Can someone impose clear order on the lists? And maybe some whitespace? The paragraph also mentions "below," but presumably means not immediately below but distantly below. HTH. —Christian Campbell 00:55, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the list is not readable as-is. A side-by-side presentation would be better. Also, the presetn layout suggests that all Congress members are listed for all states; is this the case? babbage (talk) 19:21, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article states it was signed by "99 politicians," which would lead to 19 Senators and 80 Representatives. However, the article also states 82 Representatives. I count 78 in the list of signers. The text of the document itself says 77 Representatives, and I count 77 signers. Does anyone know what the correct number should be? Arnold Rothstein1921 (talk) 15:54, 16 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Having reviewed the Wikipedia list against the signers to the document (found in an NPR archive) it looks like Martin Dies of Texas is the odd signer on the Wikipedia list. Did he sign? It doesn't seem to be covered in the article about DiesArnold Rothstein1921 (talk) 17:53, 16 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Also, Charles R. Jonas (R, NC) seems to be missing from the list of non-signers.Arnold Rothstein1921 (talk) 01:54, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

States' rights[edit]

I suggest making a link at this phrase to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States%27_rights — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.17.179.75 (talk) 17:42, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Confused about "opposition"[edit]

The article says "Senators led the opposition, with Strom Thurmond writing the initial draft and Richard Russell the final version".

But Senator Thurmond co-wrote the first draft of the Southern Manifesto which is also clear from Thurmond's article. How could he have led the opposition to it? Obviously something is unclear here, or else I am just confused. Help... 73.127.147.187 (talk) 03:40, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]