Talk:Triomphant-class submarine

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"roughtly 1000 (one thousand) times quieter than the Redoutable-class vessels"

Surely this can't be right. Lets assume the new subs emit a noise measured at 1 decibel. Are we saying the Redoutable class thundered through the water at 1000 decibels? Mark 22:12, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The measurement of noise is logarytmic. If the Triomphant emits one decibel, the Redoutable would have emited 4 (assuming the base is 10); see decibel. Rama 22:31, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I think that Rama forgot the 'deci' part of decibel? 3dB is roughly a factor of 2. A factor of 1000 is 3 bels, or 30 decibels. David Biddulph (talk) 08:13, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ship names are male in French.[edit]

Just a remark, In french, the names of ships are males and not females.

No they are not. Rama 21:49, 5 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
When it's write 'she was launched', in French, we say 'il a été lancé'. With 'il' is male. Now, is necessary to translate this characteristic in an English article, I do not believe. It was right a remark.

That's because the word "submarine" is masculine in French; had this ship be a frigate, for instance, the French article would have been feminine. Gender of ships depend of the type and of the name, and are rather subtle matters; much more than, say, "the names of ships are males and not females". If you are interested and can read French, you can have a look at "Noms de véhicules et de navires". Rama 13:00, 6 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Uh, no. Had the Triomphant been a frigate, it would still have been « le Triomphant » in French. When referred to as a frigate, it would of course have been « la frégate », thus feminine, but this is akin to using « la star » for a male actor, for instance. Sam Hocevar 19:22, 6 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Well a frigate would probably be named La Triomphante anyway... Rama 13:26, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry but no : Current French Navy ships#First rank frigates (destroyers) . Most of French frigates are named after French male historical figures ( but you can note the subtle case of the frigate "La Fayette" ;) ). 193.253.211.55 (talk) 10:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I was thinking of an Age of the Sail frigate rather than a modern one. This issue forms a relatively clear picture in my mind, but when I try to explain I realise that it is less so. Here is an attempt to clarify:
1) These are names of people; you do not change the gender of people to name such or such type of ship after them. For obvious historical reasons, most heroes of the French Navy are male (hopefully it will remain this way in spite of the feminisation of the Navy, providing that people do not need to be heroic any more). Lafayette, Lamotte-Picquet and Latouche-Tréville are no more subtle than, say, HMS Theseus or HMS Thermopylae...
2) The term "frigate" is now used for ships which would be termed "destroyers" in an English-speaking country, and which are the main surface combattants of the Navy (The new Forbin and Chevalier Paul are indeed the most powerful surface combattants ever built by France, excluding aircraft carriers). These ships will have names which would have been typical of ships of the line in the Age of the Sail, particularly in the Revolutionary era (Suffren, Jean Bart, etc.).
Modern frigates contrast with the avisos which are to a modern navy what frigates were to a 18-19th century navy (that the Navy classifies its frigates in "first-" and "second-rank" is quite telling).
3) In Category:Age of Sail frigates of France: the male names are Muiron, Niémen and Pélican, 3 out of 64. At List of French sail frigates, you will also see an overwehlming majority of female names.)
Historically, frigate were occasionally name after people (Muiron), but it is more an exception than a rule. These people are typically fighters heroically killed in action (Muiron, D'Estienne d'Orves,...) rather than larger-than-life figures (Richelieu, Jean Bart). Indeed, contemporary avisos of the A69 reflect this trend.
3) Adjectives are indeed used in their female form, for all the P-400 type patrol boats. Their role is comparable to that of frigates in the Age of the Sail in the sense that they complement the main combattant of the Navy.
Maybe I should try and gather some material to write a Naming conventions in the French Navy. Rama (talk) 11:15, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Accuracy[edit]

They are roughly 1000 (one thousand) times quieter than the Redoutable-class vessels

The quietness of a French submarine is actually top secret, (just as in the case of American SSBNs). So we should be more careful before posting such numbers.--Arado 13:56, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • On a similar note, I think something is getting lost in translation. To me, the following is very unclear: "...and are ten times less sensitive in detecting other submarines." I don't know what that means but it sounds like the sonar is only 1/10th as effective (e.g., less effective, which makes no sense for a newer, more advanced model). 216.164.56.122 (talk) 02:34, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Contradiction[edit]

"These ships are the most expensive submarines ever produced costing more than €9 billion."

"Cost: €17.1 billion(2009) in total, €3.1 billion (2009) for Terrible"

What's going on here? 91.10.54.50 (talk) 23:55, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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