Talk:Rumi

Balkh City

Balkh City was much larger in 13th century. Mevlana was born in Balkhi, currently located in Afghanistan.

His surname was Balkhi, which in Persian means "from Balkh", how come we still keep playing with his origin?

Some people running on Wikipedia mis-information agenda. 84.251.64.121 (talk) 08:45, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Reliable sources make clear that he was born in Vakhsh, not Balkh (where his family was from) - so this should just be removed the infobox and the like. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:12, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Honestly do not care where Rumi was born, but...

• "DJALAL AL-DIN RUMI B. BAHA' AL-DIN SULTAN AL-'ULAMA'WALAD B. HUSAYN B. AHMAD KHATIBI, known by the sobriquet Mawlana (Mevlana), Persian poet and founder of the Mawlawiyya order of dervishes, which was named after him, was born on Rabi'I 604/30 September 1207 in Balkh, and died on 5 Djumada II 672/1273 in Konya." --The Encyclopaedia of Islam, Vol. II:C-G, Brill, 1991, page 393, H. Ritter.
• "Rumi's birth in Balkh..." -- The Masnavi, Book Five, Jalal al-Din Rumi, page xxvii, transl. Jawid Mojaddedi, Oxford University Press.
• "Afghanistan vigorously claims Rumi on ground of "jus soli" because he was born in Balkh..."-- Rapture and Revolution: Essays on Turkish Literature, Talat S. Halman. Syracuse University Press, page 263.
• "Rumi, was born in Balkh on the 6th of Rabi' alawwal 604 A.H...." --Islamic Art and Spirituality, Seyyed Hossein Nasr, page 115, State University of New York Press
• "Mawlana Jalal al-Din Rumi was one of the greatest poets and mystics of the Islamic world. He was born in Balkh (Korasan) in AD 1207.." --Poetry and Mysticism in Islam: The Heritage of Rumi, ed. Amin Banani, Richard Hovannisian, Georges Sabagh, page 3, Cambridge University Press.
• "Perhaps the greatest Sufi poet of all, Jalal al-Din Molavi Rumi, was born near Balkh.. --Iran: What Everyone Needs to Know, Michael Axworthy, page 35, Oxford University Press.

These are just a few I found searching for only university published sources. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

In-depth works on Rumi, such as those by Franklin Lewis, and including the books and articles already cited in the note on the page, explain the residence of Rumi's father in Vakhsh at the time of Rumi's birth in some depth, led by the early scholarship of Fritz Meier. We also have Annemarie Schimmel attesting this scholarship. That's already three eminent subject-matter experts. The above works by contrast appear to be mainly more generalist sources, which one might forgive for being looser on the finer biographical detail. Hellmut Ritter is also an expert, but his 1991 EoI entry is dated. Jawid Mojaddedi is an Afghan scholar who might be forgiven for leaning into the POV identified by Talât Sait Halman: "Afghanistan vigorously claims...". The works by Seyyed Hossein Nasr and Richard G. Hovannisian are again generalist, while Michael Axworthy says "near Balkh", not "in Balkh", which in a very broad sense Vakhsh could be considered to be. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:43, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

A Wikipedia article should be objective and honest. It should be mentioned that there is debate over his birthplace, with Balkh also being a probable origin. Why do you think he is called Rumi e Balkhi? 2607:FEA8:A4E0:D000:F4B9:3DF1:1A8D:9D4B (talk) 13:31, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Very True, He is from Afghanistan. No doubt. 2603:8000:E600:C03E:4117:4563:E620:BA15 (talk) 08:14, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Currently located in afghanistan, since neither the country or concept of afghanistan existed back. He was a native persian speaker from current Afghanistan is more correct. 83.254.160.80 (talk) 17:42, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

  The city of Vaksh or any city in that region (or Tajikistan) didn’t exist before the 17th century- Afghanistan was far more developed along with Iran, Tajikistan being a more rural and agricultural land mass- hence the vast evidence of art, cultural, scientific and learned centers in the Herat and Balkh regions- it would have been improbable that he was born and raised in Tajikistan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C50:1A40:8932:442D:A096:162F:56DB (talk) 03:58, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Ethnicity Removed

Why has Kansas Bear removed the Persian ethnicity of Rumi from being Persian? He cites, MOS:Ethnicity, but it claims it shouldn't be apart of the lead unless relevant to the subject's notability. Consensus has been reached on the talk page about this tiring topic already. Please reintroduce Persian.

The lead in for Socrates is that he is a Greek Philosopher, Rumi is no different here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24 (talk) 01:39, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

I'd like to mention instead of addressing or explaining his reasoning he simply deleted my comments as an IP user from his talk page. MOS:Ethnicity has not been proved to apply here. unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:55DF:FC8A:8C6D:42C2:1616:4D24 (talk) 02:59, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Can someone do that please? 103.73.57.133 (talk) 06:27, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 November 2023

Eaditor 2.0 (talk) 22:16, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Maulana jalaluddin was NOT from Iran. He have also never been there. Maulana is from Balkh, a province in AFGHANISTAN.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. We don't say he's from Iran. Greater Iran is not the same thing. We already say "Rumi was born to Persian parents,[33][10][11][34] in Balkh[35], modern-day Afghanistan or Wakhsh,[3] a village on the East bank of the Wakhsh River known as Sangtuda in present-day Tajikistan.[3]" in the #Life section as well. Not sure what you're complaining about Cannolis (talk) 22:30, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Maulana Jalaluddin "Rumi" is not from Iran he is from Afghanistan.

Maulana Jalaluddin "Rumi" is not from Iran he is from Afghanistan. 174.76.251.66 (talk) 16:46, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Even if this is the case, Afghanistan was a part of Greater Iran at that time, which is still the case culturally and linguistically.Rumlu (talk) 06:01, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 February 2024

I would like to ask to "change Rumi to Molavi", as his original name is Molavi. He is born in Balkh (currently part of Afghanistan - seperated in 1857 from Iran by Treaty of Paris). His peoms are in Persian and the name of Rumi is not representative of neither his origin nor his name. The name Rumi is a huge misrepresenting for an international poem like Molavi. Farzaneh gholami (talk) 16:28, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Rumi is his WP:COMMONNAME; regardless of any alleged 'misrepresentation'. The name you characterize as 'not representative' also reflects the geography (see Rûm) he arguably had the most direct impact on. Uness232 (talk) 17:59, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

An interesting fact about Meulana

An interesting and perhaps less widely known fact about Rumi is his deep and transformative friendship with Shams of Tabriz. This meeting is often credited with changing Rumi's life and turning him towards the path of Sufi mysticism. Before meeting Shams, Rumi was a respected but relatively conventional Islamic scholar. The intensity of their relationship sparked an outpouring of poetic longing and spiritual depth in Rumi's work, which previously had not been as evident. Their friendship is a central theme in many of Rumi's poems, illustrating the transformative power of human connection and love. This relationship also led to the creation of many of Rumi's most beloved poems, collected in the "Divan-e Shams-e Tabrizi" (The Collected Poems of Shams of Tabriz). The profound impact of Shams on Rumi's life and work underscores the importance of companionship, love, and the mentor-mentee relationship in the journey of spiritual and personal growth, a theme that resonates across cultures and eras. FatemeHashemi1992 (talk) 16:31, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

The Shams friendship is mentioned quite a bit in the article. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 18:37, 13 March 2024 (UTC)