Talk:General Motors Gamma platform
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GM DAT or Opel/Fiat?[edit]
Since 2000, there were various statements made by FIAT and General Motors about their cooperation in building new "small car" platform, where the main responsibility of GM would be overall chassis and suspension design, while Fiat will use their own engines and implement somewhat different styling (see the Fiat Punto article). The work on GM part was supposed to be done by Opel engineers located in Germany, and Fiat will use the platform for its 2005 Punto; it will also be the foundation for the new 2006 Corsa.
Now I see statements all over Opel Corsa, GM Daewoo Motors and this GM Gamma platform articles that it's now Daewoo responsibility to develop a new version of Gamma platform. I can't find any references. Can anyone confirm the sources of this information? Maybe GM DAT is developing "next-next" version of the platform, that is the one that should be employed by 2010 when 2006 Corsa is to be replaced? --DmitryKo 22:44, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Here's AutoWeek's reference. Not solid. But the relationship between FIAT and GM is really weak now - I'd bet against a FIAT Gamma! --SFoskett 04:13, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)
- This is somewhat recent news, and the wording is "considering" and "versions of Gamma platform", which doesn't necessarily mean "is developing" and "the Gamma platform"! The development of the newer Gamma must have already been going long before this statement was made last Fall, because new Fiat Punto is due Autumn 2005 and new Opel Corsa due 2006, and the earliest links I've found by searching Google for "Fiat GM Opel Corsa Punto small car" date back to 2000. Here's some of them:
- http://waw.wardsauto.com/ar/auto_gmfiat_exchange_diesel/
- http://www.channel4.com/4car/gallery/spy-shots-2004/F/fiat-punto-070404/punto.html
- http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/050131/323/fbfbg.html
- http://www.autotechdaily.com/pdfs/T02-14-02.pdf
- http://www.just-auto.com/store/samples/gmeur_sample.pdf
- http://imvp.mit.edu/papers/02/camuffo_volpato.pdf
- http://www.autonews.com/images/random/110104/files/04profiles.pdf
- Over that, I'm not an Autonews subscriber and I can't read articels and news, but if you search up the same words in their archives, there are lot of articles on the subject, dating back to 2000.
- I think it's safe to say that new Gamma platfrorm is being codeveloped by Fiat/Opel team since 2002, exact responsibilities to be investigated, while GM DAT is considered to make variants out of it and hopes to be involved in its future development. --DmitryKo 09:30, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Is this a good english sentence?[edit]
As a German my english might simply not be good enough but my impression is that the following sentence has some mistakes in it. What does "Acturally" mean to start with? Is "wheelbase" or "Corsa" now writen with capital first letter or not? And what is the sentence all about in coherence with the rest of the article anyways?
Acturally, S4300 underpins Opel corsa C which has a 2,491 mm (98.1 in) Wheelbase, that was growning from S4200 (Corsa B) which has a 2,465 mm (97.0 in) wheelbase.
UltraBlonz (talk) 21:55, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
split to Fiat-GM SCCS[edit]
Why the entire section on Gamma/SCCS was split into a separate article and no text has been left here? SCCS has always been referred as Gamma in GM world and it was mainly engineered by Opel, and Gamma II is a development of that platform as well. --Dmitry (talk•contibs) 20:06, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
- Il Pianale SCCS è stato sviluppato da Fiat e GM (Opel) a Torino ed è una piattaforma che non ha nulla a che fare con le vecchie Gamma di General Motors poichè è tutta nuova ed è stata la Grande Punto ad adottarla per prima. Fiat in seguito ha ribattezzato il pianale semplicemente Small come è possibile vederlo nei documenti ufficiali di Fiat Group. Inoltre il nome corretto è SCCS - Small Common Components System, il nome Gamma non è presente --Corvettec6r (talk) 13:18, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
- From Corriere della Sera
"Fiat Auto e Gm Europe hanno raggiunto un accordo per la creazione di un centro di progettazione congiunto per lo sviluppo di componenti e sistemi comuni destinati alle rispettive produzioni di vetture di piccola cilindrata. Il centro di progettazione avrà sede a Torino. Responsabile del centro sarà Ulrich Schmalohr, l' ingegnere a capo della linea «small cars» della Opel, mentre Giorgio Cornacchia di Fiat Auto assumerà l' incarico di capo progetto del nuovo team di sviluppo congiunto, che sarà operativo da subito. Secondo la Fiat, «l' impegno per lo sviluppo congiunto è diretto unicamente a componenti e tecnologia senza impatti sulla specificità del marchio delle rispettive vetture di futura generazione»." --Corvettec6r (talk) 13:09, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
- I don't hold it to be a good idea to merge GM Fiat Small platform into this purely GM related article. This platform was a product of the GM-Fiat cooperation which has ended. FIAT is not being incorporated into GM, and so that article about a common project should stand alone, or rather being linked to both corporations, and the respective Wikipedia-categories. Or should all former and future GM only platforms be part of the categors FIAT PLATFORMS??--L.Willms (talk) 10:43, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
Seems to no consensus to merge so have removed the tags. Warren (talk) 10:53, 28 August 2013 (UTC)