Talk:Tennessee whiskey

Historic brands

There used to be more of them; AFAIK beforre Prohibition there were 12 notable brands of Tennessee whiskey. Being currently far from TN, I am unable to research this.  ProhibitOnions  ^(T) 10:19, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Other article

There's another article on another subject with the same title except a capital "W". 24.13.179.140 (talk) 05:22, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for noticing that. I just fixed it. I hope no one will mind the change. —BarrelProof (talk) 06:22, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

The only Tennessee in Prichards Tennessee whiskey is it's distillery.

In 1941 the IRS ruled that the Lincoln county process was the distinguishing factor of Tennessee Whiskey and Bourbon. Prichard's is Tennessee whiskey in name only.70.15.191.119 (talk) 08:18, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Don't believe everything you hear from the JD marketing department. There is nothing written in any law that defines what Tennessee whiskey is – except for NAFTA which says it's bourbon, and except that it needs to meet the legal definition of "whiskey" and needs to be from Tennessee (which doesn't necessarily mean that every step of the producting and bottling processes was in Tennessee). Have you actually seen this alleged IRS ruling? I suspect not. —BarrelProof (talk) 10:30, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Tennessee Whiskey Definition

The laws regarding manufacture of alcohol in the US are governed by the TTB. The beverage alcohol manual is a condensed version of the laws regarding alcohol designation. Because Tennessee whiskey is only labeled as a straight whisky with the "Tennessee" state modifier, all it needs to be is "spirits distilled from a mash of fermented grains, and made in the state of Tennessee." NAFTA does nothing to regulate what is produced and sold in the US market, just what is exported to Canada. It would be easy for a company to make two slightly different products, one for export and one for the domestic market...it happens all the time in both beer and spirits. I made this change several months ago and it was reverted. I suggest it goes back to that wordng for this reason. Beakerboy (talk) 12:08, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Treaties entered into by the United States pursuant to the constitutional process are supreme law of the land. Therefore, if Tennessee whiskey is defined as bourbon in a treaty, it's so defined in federal law. oknazevad (talk) 19:54, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Lincoln County process article

Do we really need a separate article for the LCP; it's use is pretty much synonymous with Tennessee whiskey (that is only Tennessee made whiskeys use it), and there's really nothing much more that needs to be said that isn't already included here, or can be easily included. I guess what I'm saying is I believe we should merge the articles. oknazevad (talk) 21:15, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

I think I would lean toward not merging the two articles. The fact is that they are separate concepts. It is not necessary for Tennessee whiskey to use the Lincoln County Process and it is not necessary for the use of the Lincoln County Process to be restricted to Tennessee. The producers that use the process actively try to mix up the two concepts, which is misleading. Keeping the articles separate may help keep the concepts separate. —BarrelProof (talk) 21:38, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

In light of the new state legal definition that includes the LCP as part of the definition if Tennessee whiskey, I'm wondering if we should revisit the idea of merging the articles. While it does remain true that Prichard's has a grandfathered in exemption, and there's no reason that a non-Tennessee whiskey couldn't use pre-aging charcoal filtering, the two terms are now more synonymous than ever. Any thoughts? oknazevad (talk) 04:33, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Well, I was the one who expressed opposition before, and I have to admit that the change of law makes that argument mostly go away. Since the two concepts are now legally coupled together, I don't object to merging the articles. —BarrelProof (talk) 04:40, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Legal Definition of Tennessee Whiskey

This spring the state of Tennessee passed a bill that requires the Lincoln County process be used in products labeling themselves as "Tennessee Whiskey" and included the existing requirements for bourbon. Drn8 (talk) 17:30, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

References

Market size

Thanks to a recent edit, we now have a description of the market size for bourbon and Tennessee whiskey ($2.4B domestically, and $1B of export, as of 2013, in terms of distiller revenue rather than retail sales). Unfortunately, we don't have any description of how much of that is Tennessee whiskey, and I suspect it's only a single-digit percentage, but I don't really know. Describing the size of a larger market that includes Tennessee whiskey but is mostly not Tennessee whiskey may not really be so helpful for an article about Tennessee whiskey. It would be nice if we could find some information about the market size specifically for Tennessee whiskey. One possibility could be to find market estimates for the Jack Daniel's and George Dickel brands and just add them together, since those two brands probably make up about 99% of the total market for Tennessee whiskey (and Jack seems much bigger than George). —BarrelProof (talk) 21:23, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm not so sure it's only be a single-digit percentage. In fact, I seriously doubt it, considering how much of a juggernaut Jack is worldwide. It's a huge seller, easily available around the world (most every bar on the planet carries it), and by some measures is the worlds best selling whiskey. (Dickel is a pittance comparatively) That said, more firm numbers specifically about Tennesee would be good. I e seen estimates on blogs and at forums. I say check Chuck Codery's blog. He's usually a pretty good source (as a published author, his blog carries more weight than most.) oknazevad (talk) 15:11, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

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1810 distillery numbers

This may be what the source says, but it is completely pointless, even disingenuous, to compare the entire country 200 years ago to just Tennessee now. That's the reason it's been removed twice now. It's not a valid comparison in any fashion; it would be a valid comparison of it were Tennessee then be Tennessee now, as it was mistakenly described as originally, but that's not what the source says, and so it becomes completely irrelevant. I'm going to remove it again, because it does nothing but misrepresent the history. oknazevad (talk) 00:46, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

"Tennessee Whiskey"

The usage and topic of Tennessee Whiskey is under discussion, see talk:Tennessee Whiskey (song) -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 06:39, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Punctuation!

I thought I was correct in putting a comma inside quotation marks, but I got reverted. And it appears that based on Wikipedia at least, you can have commas outside of quotation marks. Is this standard American English? Or is it Wikipedia English? Interesting at any rate.BillVol (talk) 04:47, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

It called "logical quotation", as opposed to "typesetter's quotation". It's more common in British usage, and is very common in some scientific fields. It's supposedly more accurate because only things in the original material appear between to quote marks, but that neglects that such closing punctuation is understood to be part of the quote marks in typesetter's style (which is more common in American usage normally. Wikipedia's manual of style calls for the use of logical quotation. The reason is more or less consensus for its use, though it is fairly frequently questioned. I'll say no more to remain diplomatic. oknazevad (talk) 15:55, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

For the guideline details, see MOS:LQ. And for further information, also see Logical quotation. —BarrelProof (talk) 18:36, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Years ago when I was learning all of this in school, I thought it odd to have commas inside quotation marks. And I remember getting nicked for having a comma outside quotes. So it really does look neater to have them outside. After all these years, I was right!!! Now if I can break the habit and not get reverted again... Thanks, Oknazevad and BarrelProof. BTW, how can we move the Tennessee whiskey article to high importance? Does Tennessee have a more famous export than its whiskey?BillVol (talk) 04:50, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

I've never paid much attention to Wikiproject importance ratings and how they are maintained. I get the feeling that most other people don't either. I suggest to try just changing what it says, and see what happens. —BarrelProof (talk) 16:00, 13 August 2016 (UTC)