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Q1: Why is this article titled "Chinese" New Year?
A1: This article covers celebrations of the Spring Festival in Chinese culture specifically, commonly known in English as the Chinese New Year. Celebrations of the Spring Festival or similar holidays in other cultures are covered in their own articles (e.g. Japanese New Year, Korean New Year, Tết Nguyên Đán) or more broadly in the article Lunar New Year.
This article is written in American English, which has its own spelling conventions (color, defense, traveled) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus.
Chinese New Year was a good article, but it was removed from the list as it no longer met the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.
Review: August 14, 2006. (Reviewed version).
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Semi-protected edit request on 4 February 2024[edit]
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Tết Nguyên Đán (Vietnamese New Year) Hlng (talk) 06:05, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 07:51, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is anyone motivated to create Year 2033 problem? This is the case where the simple rule Chinese New Year falls on the day of the second new Moon after the December solstice on approximately December 22. In 2033 this rule will fail for the first time since 1645 (the last calendar reform).[1]
Is it a real problem? Do any significant computer systems depend on it, or do they all just use Gregorian? Has any wp:reliable source identified it as worth worrying about? (Despite claims that the year 2000 problem was a damp firework, it was only minor because a lot of work was done to prevent it becoming an issue.) --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 11:03, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For the Chinese calendar, the main reason it was a problem is because the correct rules weren't well known until the 1990s, but if implemented correctly there's no issue. Regarding computer systems, since the civil calendar is Gregorian the problem basically only affects almanacs that try to compute traditional holidays etc., so it's not that big a deal (or so I infer from the Chinese article at zh:2033年問題).
The Japanese lunisolar calendar has a different set of rules, however, and applying those rules literally would give two leap months (months 7 and 11) while skipping month 10; the Hindu calendar can skip months ("kshaya" months), but there is no such provision in the Chinese/Japanese calendar. Since the calendar isn't used for any official purpose anymore, there's no body that regulates it and so no official resolution. (See the Japanese article at ja:旧暦2033年問題.) For a source in English, "Adjusting Calculations to the Ideal in the Chinese and Japanese Calendars" by Susan Tsumura in Living the Lunar Calendar (2012) discusses this briefly, suggesting that opinion leans towards having a leap month 11 (it also discusses periods when the official Chinese calendar makers forgot the correct rule and put leap months in the wrong place.) Arcorann (talk) 10:18, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Yue You said that Lunar New Year is a "Western construction" for Chinese New year. As a Chinese person, can you clarify the sentence below the infobox that says "Chinese New year has strongly influenced Lunar New Year celebrations of [China's] 56 ethnic groups"? That, along with the fact that Chinese new year takes place on the beginning of a new year on the traditional lunisolarChinese calendar, is what drove my edit. TROPtastic (talk) 20:45, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TROPtastic: The grouping of "Lunar New Year" is an external label commonly used by non-Asian communities or Asian enclave communities outside of Asia. No culture that celebrates Chinese New Year or a similar festival calls their celebrations on the lunisolar calendar "Lunar New Year" in their own languages. Chinese New Year is a celebration that falls under the external label of "Lunar New Year", but it isn't a version of Lunar New Year, because Lunar New Year itself isn't an actual event.
The sentence referencing the 56 ethnic groups recognised by the PRC government is also inaccurate and probably assumed, because the 56 ethnic groups include several ethnicities outside the influence of Sinosphere, such as Muslim Uyghurs and Christian Russians, who do not have lunisolar or lunar celebrations. Yue🌙 23:14, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your expert reply. I understand now that calling Chinese New Year "Lunar New Year" or "a [version of] Lunar New Year" is inaccurate, so reverting my edit was appropriate. Since most readers of the English-language article are coming here to presumably learn more about CNY, I think it would be useful to have some sort of description that says that CNY falls under the label of Lunar New Year but summarizes what you have said. This would increase the utility of the article to newcomers to Chinese culture, in my view.
I am not attached to the exact wording, but given that the click-through rate on Wikipedia inter-article links is generally well less than 50% of impressions, I think using the words "Lunar New Year" in an appropriate context would be valuable to the article. The wording I chose hopefully reflects the fact that Lunar New Year is a label primarily from non-Asian communities. TROPtastic (talk) 01:20, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Semi-protected edit request on 11 February 2024[edit]
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Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Remsense诉 00:17, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 07:51, 4 February 2024 (UTC)