Talk:NCAA women's ice hockey tournament

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On 12 May 2018, it was proposed that this article be moved from National Collegiate women's ice hockey championship to NCAA Women's Ice Hockey Tournament. The result of the discussion was moved.

Title[edit]

The new title doesn't make any sense. What is it supposed to mean? Powers ^T 02:44, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ok sorry, Thanks --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 02:47, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, the old title also is problematic. "National Collegiate Women's Ice Hockey Championship" is a term that refers only to the Division I/II championship. It does not refer to the Division III championship, nor does it refer to the regular season or playoffs of any of the individual leagues, all of which are discussed in this article. The article title should be changed to match the content. Powers ^T 02:54, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

sorry Monsieur, the NCAA Division II championship don't exist in U.S. Women ice hockey. Just Division I and III in NCAA Women ice hockey. For the title of the page, I just wanted to harmonize the page with the changes made by User:Cmm3 on the Canadian page Canadian Interuniversity Sport women's ice hockey see [1]. --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 03:02, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This article used to describe only the championship tournament of NCAA women's hockey, but it's scope has since expanded to include league play as well. I can't say I know much about the NCAA and what they call their individual leagues, but it seems that calling the article a "championship" or "frozen four" is no longer applicable. Unless someone has a better name, it should be called "National Collegiate Women's Ice Hockey" or "NCAA Women's Ice Hockey." Cmm3 (talk) 03:57, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Genevieve, you are wrong, and you've been wrong about this from the start. In NCAA women's ice hockey, Division II and Division I compete together for the same championship. This is called the "National Collegiate Women's Ice Hockey Championship" because it is neither Division I nor Division II, but both conjoined. Please see this web site where you can switch between "NC" and "Div III" (and compare it to the men's page where the choices are "Div I" and "Div III"). Powers ^T 14:02, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your BIG error it's to compare the male ice hockey with the women ice hockey in USA. They are two different worlds. You know it. We are in two different worlds. --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 16:20, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand; I merely referenced men's hockey to show the difference between them on the NCAA official web site. Powers ^T 18:10, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion[edit]

As I have worked with both of you in the past (Lt Powers, you communicated with me on ice hockey wikia as Mark_Staffieri), I wanted to try and reach a compromise and prevent a flame war from erupting. Lt. From my point of view, there are already articles about the Patty Kazmaier and Laura Hurd awards, so it really does not need to be here. I have added it to the See Also section. The Division III information should be its own article, as there is very little about Division III in Wikipedia, so I have taken the content from here and created the necessary article. Overall, the title of this article should truly be about the Frozen Four so I have moved it to NCAA Division I women's ice hockey championship (as Frozen Four was used previously). Hope this is a resonable compromise. Maple Leaf (talk) 15:26, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As I stated above, there is no such thing as the "NCAA Division I women's ice hockey championship". It is the "National Collegiate women's ice hockey championship" because it combines both Division I and Division II. Powers ^T 15:58, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A compromise ??? sorry no. I defends the Women ice hockey in its integrity .The NCAA division III is a important part of the NCAA in the same order as the NCAA Division I. I make no compromise with this monsieur LT Powers. Je signe et persiste --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 16:05, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Rename[edit]

Hi Powers, the title is now National Collegiate women's ice hockey championship. Hopefully, this will put the matter to rest.

Genevieve, I feel that this matter is being taken too personally. Our end goal is to make information easily accessible and Division III should be its own article. Should you feel otherwise, you can communicate with admins on the wiki projects for Ice Hockey and College Ice Hockey to provide a resolution. Maple Leaf (talk) 18:17, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Technically, it's a proper noun (I erred in my capitalization earlier) and should be in title case.

However, more importantly, I think, than continual name changes is determining what the scope of this article should be. If we want the article to cover just the championship tournament, then the current title (perhaps with capitalization changes) is fine. But if the article is to cover all of DI/DII women's hockey, then the title should reflect that, and not use the name of the championship. Powers ^T 18:22, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am confused as to why this page was expanded to include league play when it was clearly just about the championship itself. If this article is going to remain true to the fact that it was about the championship itself then the current name is good. If you want it to be about all of DI/II women's hockey then the article will have to be named something different as LtPowers mentions. -DJSasso (talk) 18:31, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

For the answer to that, you'd have to ask Genevieve. Powers ^T 18:33, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed her making the change awhile back and I was too busy to comment at the time..but it really should just be about the championship itself. -DJSasso (talk) 18:35, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And that's fine, though I think there may be space for a separate article on regular season and league postseason tournaments. To be honest, though, collegiate hockey articles (both here and on Ice Hockey Wiki) are not in good or consistent shape; to an extent, we're all flying blind with little precedent. Powers ^T 18:43, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I agree. I was just meant that the best way forward might be to split out the regular season stuff to its own article with an appropriate name where we can describe for example the fact that DI and DII teams competing together and leave this page to talk about the post-season as it used to do. NCAA articles are definitely in rough shape. We have a task force assembled to work on them but I don't think the project has worked together much on any goals. People mostly just signed their names to it and then moved on. Such is the problem with most task forces I suppose. -DJSasso (talk) 18:47, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress[edit]

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:NCAA Division I Women's Volleyball Championship which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 05:00, 12 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]