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Tschudins = Biarmians[edit]

I'm intresting where I can find more information about this statement:

Tschudins mentioned in Russian chronicles is identical to Biarmians

//Regards, Rogper 22:10, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Removal of link to copyright infringement[edit]

This request has been moved from Wikipedia:Requested copyright exmaination:

A link in Wikipedia: Bjarmaland points to two links, one is mine and the other is a copy of my page with minor changes. I made this page for Karen Mulders of the Netherlands who was doing her Phd studies and requested information about Bjarmland. I noticed the hunmagyr site soon after with my translations and content. This does not comply with "fair use" because the work is substantially the whole article and not just parts.

My site is: http://uralica.com/kola.htm The offending site is: http://www.hunmagyar.org/turan/karelia/bjarm.html

This is verifyable from Karen Mulders. [email address redacted] I have not emailed her for some time so not sure if emails correct. Please remove the offending link. I have tried in the past to contact the person but have not found the email address on the pages.

Thank you, Osmo Joronen —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.70.129.34 (talk • contribs)

I've removed the link as per Wikipedia external link guidelines, which state, "External sites can possibly violate copyright. Linking to copyrighted works is usually not a problem, as long as you have made a reasonable effort to determine that the page in question is not violating someone else's copyright. If it is, please do not link to the page. Knowingly and intentionally directing others to a site that violates copyright has been considered a form of contributory infringement in the United States [...]. Also, linking to a page that illegally distributes someone else's work sheds a bad light on us (see Wikipedia:Copyrights and in particular Contributors' rights and obligations)." --MCB 20:26, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Polishing needed[edit]

The article needs some restructuring and overall polishing, also references to its contents. Volunteering to do that in the upcoming weeks if no objections are raised. --Drieakko 06:33, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You are welcome. I believe the most essential thing is to purge any mention of Kvens from the article. Academic references are required; currently the page smacks of original research. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 08:13, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There will surely be no Kvens. --Drieakko 09:05, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bjarmland vs Wisu[edit]

If Bjarmaland possible can be Perm, is can be related to Wisu. --Üntïflër (ә?) 19:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bjarmaland was not Perm. Their names are related, that's all. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 14:30, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Possibility exists for this, though this is speculation. Scandinavian sources never describe the extent of Bjarmaland, as they seem to have always been in touch only with the trade center in the Dvina delta. River Dvina is easily navigable all the way up to the area of Perm from which it flows. --Drieakko 14:46, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please take a look at the map. The Dvina flows towards Vologda, from whence portages lead to Lake Kubenskoe and Beloozero. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 15:09, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the city of Arkhangelsk in the Dvina delta, kindly follow the river to see that it flows from the Perm area. --Drieakko 15:37, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

However, another possible connection: both were historical medieval lands in the modern North Russia --Üntïflër (ә?) 15:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have been reading some of the strange stuff Ghirla writes. She seems to vandalize pages and act very inflammably. She does not seem trustworthy at all.--Arzamas2 15:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dvina tributary Vychegda flows from the Perm area, see [1] or [2]. --Drieakko 16:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So, what about Wisu and Yugra. If nobody is oppose, I'll add them --Üntïflër (ә?) 14:10, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Proposing addition of Great Perm instead; Wisu probably was the same as Great Perm and there might have been a connection between Bjarmaland and Great Perm. So Wisu has a double-if distance and Great Perm a single-if distance from Bjarmaland :) --Drieakko 14:47, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Problems of identification[edit]

Well, what is this Problems of identification all about here? it is exactly like the header says it is Most scholars believe that the term (probably related to Permia)
The name ...Permian is found in the oldest Russian, Nestor's Chronicle (1000-1100). ^[1] even nowadays the southern branch of the people are called Komi-Permyaks.

References[edit]

^ The Uralic Language Family: Facts, Myths and Statistics., p21-23 ISBN 0631231706

Hau,hau,hur,hur. Wisu is Arabian version of Russian Ves, both meaning simply Finno-Ugrian Vepsä heimo which lived inside the triange Laatokka - Valgetjärvi - Äänisjärvi. That area was not Bjarmia, at the time these old Viking visitors travelled in the area. In fact, there seems to have been also Mongols visiting the area in 1242, where they saw "certaine type of monsterers" ie. milk whales on the Äänislahti (Onega Bay) at Vienanmeri (White Sea). For sure to Mongols monsters, never seen before by these land liverers. They turned back to the Comania. Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.113.116.165 (talk) 16:44, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Biarmia is mentioned here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Septentrionales.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.80.102.246 (talk) 20:40, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please review the map in the section "Early contacts"[edit]

The map that appears in the section "Early contacts" was previously used in the English article for Ohthere of Hålogaland, but now that article is more fully developed than it was and uses the map shown here. This is because, as I believe, the older map is seriously in error. You may wish to review my comments on the Talk page for the older map here and consider using the map shown here instead. Thanks for reading. Nortonius (talk) 15:08, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bjarma - Permia[edit]

... “before the idol of Thor” lay a forge. The word "Thor" among the Mansi means God, just as among the riding Chuvash (Bulgar-Oghur) "Thor" means God/Creator. The Chuvash erect idol Yuba pillars in honor of Thor, like the Japanese Torii.

Bjarma was the name given to Great Perm and the city of Bilyar (Pülear), the capital of Volga Bulgaria.

Bjarma - Permia - Pülear - Bilyar 176.52.77.178 (talk) 01:53, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] The Uralic Language Family: Facts, Myths and Statistics., p21-23 ISBN 0631231706

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