Talk:Aidi

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http://www.thebreedsofdogs.com/images/CHIEN_DE_LATLAS.jpg I don't think the picture is undercopyright protection. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.249.56.185 (talk • contribs) .

It is copyrighted unless otherwise stated. -SCEhardT 05:57, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Aidi photo here http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Aidi.jpg

Isn't that a Moroccan Dog?

@M.BittonWell, I thought they called it a Moroccan dog. Since according to the article it has Moroccan origins. But okay. What do you mean by tree? Because the rest is edited for you, I just introduced “Moroccan Dog”. Wasserschneider (talk) 14:27, 1 April 2024 (UTC) Blocked sock. M.Bitton (talk) 19:41, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Feel free to add it back if you can find a reliable source that says that this dog is "also known" as a Moroccan dog. M.Bitton (talk) 14:43, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

okay. No, it's better that way, because it previously said "Origin:Morocco". I didn't dare to remove it. But okay, the article it's perfect like this. Wasserschneider (talk) 14:49, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

May 2024

@Traumnovelle: please use the talk page and refrain from edit warring. M.Bitton (talk) 21:52, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Of course we're going to have to revert to your version, which has unsourced material and removes content for no PAG based reasoning.

Please provide a source that states North Africa instead of Morocco and please explain why a language tag is inappropriate for a word derived from a foreign language. Traumnovelle (talk) 05:27, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Actually, it's your version that is unsourced.

The cited sources already state the origin as North Africa. If you're referring to the FCI, then it says the same thing and the term "origin" (at the top of the standard) is used by the organization to refer to the "country of patronage or development" and not to the origin of the breed (as you seem to think). Not that it makes any difference in this case, but it's also worth noting that the FCI is not a scholarly source (unlike the Encyclopédie berbère, which is already cited).

Since you want to add the Berber language, the onus to explain why and which script should be used is entirely on you. M.Bitton (talk) 23:43, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Funny the actual citation says the breed is from Morocco: https://web.archive.org/web/20140311030151/http://www.easypetmd.com/doginfo/aidi

You're obviously quite familiar with Wikipedia but is basic fact checking beyond your ability?

>Not that it makes any difference in this case, but it's also worth noting that the FCI is not a scholarly source (unlike the Encyclopédie berbère, which is already cited).

Which calls it a Berber Atlas dog?

>Since you want to add the Berber language, the onus to explain why and which script should be used is entirely on you

Because the name comes from the Berber language. Traumnovelle (talk) 06:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

"the breed is from Morocco" Is it only native to Morocco? No, the dog pays no regard to borders and is found all over the Atlas Mountains of North Africa.[1]

"Because the name comes from the Berber language" There are multiple Berber languages and scripts. The language tag you keep on adding is WP:OR. Skitash (talk) 10:02, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

You can find Old English Sheepdogs all over the world, the origin of the dog is still England.

>The language tag you keep on adding is WP:OR

I'll take your word on that given I'm unfamiliar with the language.

Everything else still stands. And by the way I suggest you actually read the citations instead of using non-P&G arguments about nationalities into a dog breed article. Traumnovelle (talk) 11:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

While ignoring the personal remarks that you kept throwing from the get-go was perhaps the right thing to do, casting aspersions (like you did above) won't be tolerated; so now you have two choices: you can either strike that uncalled for comment or you take it to ANI and substantiate it there. In the meantime, I will reply to the previous comment.

Funny the actual citation.. there is nothing "funny" about describing the least reliable of all the cited sources as "the actual citation". I suggest you familiarize yourself with WP:RS.

Which calls it a Berber Atlas dog nope. The Berber encyclopedia calls it many things, but it doesn't call it a "Berber Atlas dog". Being by far the most reliable of all the cited sources, it also describes the origin of the breed in details and it's certainly not Morocco.

I will ask you one more time: please explain why a Berber language is needed and which script should be used. This time, try not to ignore the important underlined part. M.Bitton (talk) 23:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

You accused other editors of being nationalist first.

>Funny the actual citation.. there is nothing "funny" about describing the least reliable of all the cited sources as "the actual citation". I suggest you familiarize yourself with WP:RS.

It's the source that substantiated the supposedly substanited the more general North African origin, I agree it's a poor source but you chose to mention it.

Here are further reliable sources that also repeat Morocco: https://www.google.it/books/edition/The_Dog_Encyclopedia/cBGmEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=aidi+dog&pg=PA68&printsec=frontcover https://www.google.it/books/edition/Our_Debt_to_the_Dog/0esAAgAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=aidi+dog&pg=PT82&printsec=frontcover https://www.google.it/books/edition/Dogs/EXxmEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=aidi+dog&pg=PA291&printsec=frontcover

>Which calls it a Berber Atlas dog nope.

My French is bad, you're correct that it doesn't.

>it also describes the origin of the breed in details and it's certainly not Morocco.

Which paragraph number are you referring to?

>I will ask you one more time: please explain why a Berber language is needed and which script should be used. This time, try not to ignore the important underlined part

Your friend already gave an actual legitimate reason to remove it. The fact that there are multiple scripts is a valid reason to not include it, although said French source clearly establishes the name as a Berber term. The Morocco article seems to manage to choose a script and goes with Standard Moroccan Tamazight but I cannot speak the language. Traumnovelle (talk) 05:29, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

I said what I needed to say about your increasing personalization of the discussion that reached uncalled for aspersions casting, so unless you either strike that personal attack or take your accusations to ANI, you will simply be ignored. M.Bitton (talk) 15:01, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

So you're just WP:STONEWALLING the discussion after it hasn't gone your way? We're here to discuss whether the origin should be listed as Morocco or Maghreb/North Africa. Currently all the English sources state Morocco and you're refusing to be helpful and highlight which part of the French enyclopaedia supports your claim. Traumnovelle (talk) 18:45, 20 May 2024 (UTC)