Talk:Wade Redden

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He is addicted to Cocaine? What in the show he filmed? I had never heard that before...—Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.139.0.68 (talk • contribs)

Was a vandal and has been fixed. --Djsasso 21:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, there's much in terms of rumors that he's a cokehead. However, given that this is a reference text, I don't know if we can have hearsay and rumors. Furthermore this article reads like it was written by an 8 year old. A re-write is in order Giamberardino (talk) 02:23, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

The rumour was that he was allegedly using cocaine during the Sens 2007 drive to the Stanley Cup finals. Ray Emery was allegedly using as well. Both were traded during the off season in 2008. --TurtleMelody (talk) 23:09, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

no trade

I added a section about Redden having used his no-trade clause to prevent a deal. It was notable because it was a rare case of a player rejecting a deal that would send him to a contender. I sourced it and worded it as neutrally as possible. user:Aoystreck March 16th, 2008

On the MSG Rangers pre-game show within a segment called "Twenty Questions from 6:30 -7:00 p.m. on November 8, Wade Redden said he did not win any kind of hackey sack championship in his life. Therefore, I am removing this sentence "In 1987, he won the Saskatchewan Hackey Sack championship" —Preceding unsigned comment added by RG415WBFA (talk • contribs) 00:03, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Headings

Could I get others to chime in on the section headers on this page. Dolovis added the sub-headings (1993-99 seasons, etc), and they are fairly arbitrary cut offs and make the article choppy in my opinion. He believes they allow for better expansion of the article. Can I get a consensus on them. -DJSasso (talk) 22:28, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

As an example Henrik Sedin is a featured article. And only has sub headings at major cutoffs. In his case switching from the Elitserien to the the NHL. I use him as an example because they both had about the same length career. But the case holds for most if not all of the Featured player articles. -DJSasso (talk) 22:40, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Remove the choppiness. GoodDay (talk) 22:43, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I think "junior" (not amateur) and "professional" are enough right now. If it gets too unwieldy like that, it could be split by team in the professional section. Canada Hky (talk) 22:49, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to have to agree. I get what Dolovis is trying to do, but too many sub-sections reduces flow. I cringe when I see sections for one or two seasons at a time. imo, there should be three here for his playing career: Junior, Ottawa Senators and New York Rangers. Resolute 23:21, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I would have no problem splitting it into those three. Just season by season splitting, like you say, makes me cringe. It just looks horrible on articles. -DJSasso (talk) 23:23, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Not only are these headings not consistent with how player articles are commonly organized - either as Resolute suggests or, more commonly, just with junior/minor and major league breakpoints - they don't even make sense arbitrarily. One would think that if arbitrary chronological cutoffs were used for Redden's career, that 2000-2006, when he was regarded in the upper echelon of defensemen and which represented his best seasons, would be a key header.  Ravenswing  10:58, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the above statements. I don't think that the sub-headings are necessary, being that there is barley a paragraph in each one. Also they are inconsistent in their brake points using 3, 5, 2, 1, and 3 seasons. removing the sub-headers would make the article much cleaner like it did for the Andrew Raycroft page. (compared to with sub-headers), I would hate to start seeing extreme over use of headers like at some other projects.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (talk) 15:57, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I created the sub-headings so that the article can be more easily expanded. Redden has had an amazing career, and the article needs to be expanded to give justice to his significant achievements. By breaking the article into sub-heading, editors will (for example) be more easily able to note up his Olympic involvement, or all-star seasons. And the same goes for his other stand-out years and achievements. Without the sub-headings, all we have is a clumped together article that gives only the briefest of mention (if that) to his notable achievements - and I do not see this improving without drawing attention to the lack of information within the season's headings. Same logic as a stub-article - do not delete the section if it does not have enough content - expand it. That being said, I like Resolute's compromise, but I would suggest four headings; Amateur; Ottawa Senators; New York Rangers; and Minor Leagues. Dolovis (talk) 17:27, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

The headings chop up the page too much. There's no need for it, no other player's pages are like this. I say revert back to "Ottawa Senators" and "New York Rangers" headings. Then add a "Hartford Wolf Pack" as the season goes on. That's all it really needs. --Getzfan15 (talk) 18:30, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Image

I have tried to use the image of Redden in his Ottawa jersey as the main image for the article, but this has been undone so I am seeking a consensus for the better image to use. It appears that Redden's NHL career is over, and even if he does come back it will not be with the Rangers. Redden is best known for his years with the Ottawa Senators, and therefore it makes sense that the Ottawa image should be used for an encyclopedic article. I also think that the Ottawa shot is of marginally better quality. Dolovis (talk) 17:39, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Generally there are two rules of thumb for images in infoboxes. The first being that you use the most recent one when possible unless the most recent one is of significantly lesser quality. (which maybe this one is, thats debatable). The second rule of thumb is you use the one where the person's face is the most visible. Personally after I have edited and cleaned up the new york image I think its the better of the two and its the most recent and easiest to see his face in. See Wayne Gretzky for a featured article example where we don't use an oilers or kings image when he was clearly best known for his time with those two teams, but instead use the most recent free image we have which is him speaking at a podium. -DJSasso (talk) 17:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

I'd say both images are of similar quality - but I'd probably default to the Rangers image as well, though for a different reason. The MOS suggests that images of people should face towards the text wherever possible. He's looking to our left in the Rangers image, which makes it a good candidate to be right justified, and he's looking to our right in the Sens image, making left justification preferable. That said, I probably would have left either image alone if it was in the infobox. Resolute 17:50, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Prospect status

Should he really be listed as a prospect for the Rangers? I understand he's still within the Rangers organization but at 994 career games, he isn't exactly a prospect anymore. --Getzfan15 (talk) 06:41, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't think so, I usually just add the NHL team to former teams when a player is bouncing back and forth and isn't really a prospect anymore. We used to have a standard of when they weren't called a prospect anymore, but I can't for the life of me remember what it was. I am pretty sure it was X number of games in the NHL or X number of years in the minors. -DJSasso (talk) 10:43, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Article Analysis of Redden's Wikipedia Page

Check a few citations. Do the links work? Is there any close paraphrasing or plagiarism in the article? • All links were capable of working, a few required a sign in to access the information. One article that heavily focused on Metis athletes in the NHL, the section on Wade Redden was closely paraphrased throughout his Wikipedia article. The article on Metis athletes and Wade Redden’s Wikipedia article had similarities when discussing his early life and his origins of growing up. Of the articles that were not capable of working, there were a couple of outdated links that were not able to open as well, articles that seem to be newspaper articles and not an article that may have been to the extent of a peer reviewed article, academic journal, etc.

Where does the information come from? Are these neutral sources? If biased, is that bias noted? • The information about Wade Redden throughout his Wikipedia page similarly originate from profile pages, newspaper/journal articles, and interviews. Redden’s profile pages are used through sources such as NHL.com and any other hockey team that he has played for. Information coming from articles and interviews are very neutral and are well executed in the sense of it being neutral, due to the fact that the info is just stating facts and simply informing viewers of the page about his time in the sport of hockey. Its notable that Wade Redden’s information on Wikipedia is mainly centered around his time in the NHL as that was his profession but it is quite noticeable that there is little to no information about his Aboriginal status as a Metis.

Is everything in the article relevant to the article topic? Is there anything that distracted you? • Everything throughout Wade Redden’s article on Wikipedia is relevant to the topic being Wade Redden and what he is known for. Wade Redden was a successful athlete who played hockey at the professional level, within his Wikipedia article it is noticeable to the regular eye viewing the page that his article well represents him as a professional hockey athlete. In conclusion, Wade Redden’s origin of being Metis is under represented throughout his article, it may be essential to look deeper into his life growing up as an Aboriginal.

MoeeeG (talk) 16:45, 17 March 2018 (UTC) MOSES GENAT on Wade Redden's Wikipedia Page