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the 2014 Jerusalem synagogue massacre[edit]

Fyi - The claim that there is no connection to the Popular Front is a bit delusional, on the tombstones of the murderers there is the logo of the Popular Front

also: i can't find a source to this claim "The Israeli police concluded it was a lone wolf operation."

this is the best source i found ( cite from the israeli wiki : "The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed after the massacre that the terrorists were among its ranks, but repeated it a few hours later.")

via: https://www.terrorism-info.org.il/en/20731/

"7. The Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades, the PFLP's military-terrorist wing, issued a formal statement praising the attack in Jerusalem, stressing that the two terrorists belonged to its ranks (Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades, November 18, 2014). Note: On November 11, 2014, the PFLP posted a notice on its website calling for confrontations with Israel to be escalated (PFLP website, November 11, 2014).

Left: Notice posted by the PFLP calling for escalation in attacks against Israel (PFLP website, November 11, 2014). Right: Formal PFLP notice claiming responsibility for the terrorist attack (Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades, November 18, 2014)

8. Several hours after the notice was posted the PFLP's military-terrorist wing withdrew its claim of responsibility. Its spokesman Abu Jamal said that "the information about the details of the action was [reported in haste]." In the evening the military-terrorist wing's official website changed the wording of the notice, and instead of the original "heroic action carried out by PFLP heroes," it read, "the heroic action carried out by the shaheeds…" (Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades website, November 18, 2014)."

what does support for the armed wings mean ?[edit]

The PFLP's armed wing in the West Bank and Gaza, the Abu Ali Mustapha Brigades, draws much of its support from student organizations in universities like Al-Quds University (eastern Jerusalem), Bir Zeit University (Ramallah area), An-Najah National University (Nablus), and the Arab American University.

does it mean political support for the armed wing (unlike supporting the movement itself ?) or providing actual aid to the wing armed ?

2A00:A040:196:1A4:82CA:9B9D:7530:BF2F (talk) 22:58, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it has a citation needed tag, so actually, probably none of the above. It's probably a load of unverifiable bollocks. In fact, I think I'll be removing that right here and now. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:32, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Dovidroth: The content you restored to the lede does not exist in the body; you either expand it enough for it to be proportionately represented in the lede in this way (at least 35%), or you revert yourself. Makeandtoss (talk) 08:39, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong information about Australia m[edit]

The lead says that the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine is recognized as a terrorist organization by the US (correct), the EU (correct), Japan (correct) and Australia - this one is incorrect. This is the full official list of organizations officially classified as terrorist organizations by the Australian government: https://www.nationalsecurity.gov.au/what-australia-is-doing/terrorist-organisations/listed-terrorist-organisations - the PFLP is not on the list, so I suggest removing Australia’s name from the lead. 2A02:14F:16F:6B25:EDF0:CF5C:7B68:F49D (talk) 10:36, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Already done Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 17:19, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Citations needed[edit]

What I think should be changed (format using {{textdiff}}):

This article needs citations for some of its key claims. The introduction has a line: "[It] promotes a one-state solution to the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, in a "democratic Palestine", where "Arabs and Jews would live without discrimination"." These quotes are quite interesting and readers would want to know where these quotes come from.

Another key example is in the "Attitude to the Peace Process" section: "George Habash in particular, and various other leaders in general advocated one state with an Arab identity in which Jews were entitled to live with the same rights as any minority. The PFLP declared that its goal was to "create a people's democratic Palestine, where Arabs and Jews would live without discrimination, a state without classes and national oppression, a state which allows Arabs and Jews to develop their national culture.""

Both of these sentences assert attitudes that are different than other Palestinian organizations and so are quite interesting to readers. In fact, they form the main claims of this section. However, there is no citation supporting either sentence. These quotations have been repeated across the internet, but there does not seem to be any source other than this Wikipedia article.

Why it should be changed:

Key claims in the article about the positions of the PFLP do not have citations associated with them. This makes it hard for readers to ascertain their validity or to do follow up research.

References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

Sansan100 (talk) 01:54, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

"Neo-Stalinism"[edit]

I noticed that a recent edit added "Neo-Stalinism" as one of the ideologies. Reading the source leading to "The Palestinian Left Will Not Be Hijacked – A Critique of Palestine: A Socialist Introduction", we can see that the source does not support the view that the PFLP is "Stalinist" and is a critique of literature calling the PFLP "Stalinists". Therefore shouldn't the ideology of the PFLP be listed as "Neo-Stalinism (disputed)" at least, even without adding any more sources? History Emperor (talk) 09:13, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Arabic Pronunciations[edit]

There are far too many mysterious, unsourced, and misspelled Arabic names in Wikipedia. e.g. "al-Sha`biyyah" (with no citation), I don't know about the rest, but that's not pronounced "al" see Sun and moon letters.

A lot of places in Palestine, like the hospitals, e.g. Al-Shifa Hospital, seem to have common English pronunciations that use "al", but they're English not Arabic, leaving out all the Hamzas and Ayns and other letters that are not in English. Potentially Sun and moon letters page is inaccurate or over simplified?

But the PFLP has a lot of propaganda music that distinctly includes "ash-Shabiya" in the pronunciation of the name.

Unfortunately I'm stumped for a source we can actually cite? The official websites are legally dubious in some countries? (NB - The party website is there already, and is justifiable in that context, but since their YouTube channel got banned in early October the videos and media links on that site have all broken, the place that still has the music and speeches is the militant wing website, which is less justifiable on this page, especially just for pronunciation? there's probably better options.)

There might be a citable source out there somewhere with a written pronunciation?

Irtapil (talk) 01:41, 22 January 2024 (UTC) abridged Irtapil (talk) 05:47, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I replaced the unsourced letter-for-letter with a sourced one from Britanica, best I can do for pronunciation is a footnote linking pages of general info. Irtapil (talk) 05:25, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note that transliterations doesn't equate pronunciations. I don't really find a problem with using al- since this is used to transliterate the word rather than aid pronounce it. Makeandtoss (talk) 09:35, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:PFLP Infobox Flag.svg has been deleted for violating copyright[edit]

Would it be possible to create a new infobox flag that doesn't violate copyright? Charles Essie (talk) 17:44, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Logo_of_PFLP.png is what should be used here. nableezy - 17:47, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We can't, it's copyrighted. Charles Essie (talk) 17:52, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's fair use here. You cant have copyrighted files on Commons, thats why it is on en.wp instead. nableezy - 17:57, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But we're only allowed to use it here. We need something that can be used on military conflict infoboxes via country data templates. The PFLP has one but it's missing a flag. Charles Essie (talk) 18:04, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, we dont need that, and no file that includes the logo, which is copyrighted, can be created that is not in turn copyrighted. You cant create a derivative work of a copyrighted work and avoid violating that copyright. nableezy - 18:54, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It worked for these. Charles Essie (talk) 18:57, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If any of those contain copyrighted logos they should be deleted from commons as well. nableezy - 18:58, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Those have been altered enough to avoid copyright infringement. If you disagree then feel free to start deletion discussions. Charles Essie (talk) 19:03, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]