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Model Minority[edit]

Considering this part of article:

This anti-Japanese sentiment, and anti-Asian sentiment in general, persisted through the 1950s. It faded in the 1960s as the model minority stereotype came into prominence in the United States.

Living through the 1960's, 1970s, and 1980s in the midwest and as the child of WW II era parents, I question how much the sentiment ever faded. To the extent it has faded at all I believe it is more a product of aging (those with the strongest sentiment dying out, and being replaced by youth). I think there should be some more discussion of this hypothesis.--Pmeisel 02:00, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Consider how much anti-Japanese sentiment there was in the 80s. The statement is an erroneous simplification. -- Jun-Dai 21:55, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
how about this as an alternative phrasing: This anti-Japanese sentiment, and anti-Asian sentiment in general, persisted through the 1950s. As the model minority {stereotype, view} of Asians came into prominence, starting in the 1960s, this has generally lessoned. -- Thunderbolt16 02:49, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)
I suggest Anti-Japanese sentiment remained strong throughout the 1950s and early 1960s. As with most ethnic prejudices it has faded somewhat in recent decades but still remains in some areas and groups. This is more consistent with my observations and experience. I recall for instance that when Honda built facilities in central Ohio during the late 1980s and early 1990s that not only were Japanese not welcome in many places, but that some construction workers refused to work on their jobs. I think anti-Japanese prejudice among unionized autoworkers, surviving WW II vets, and many of their children remains strong today.--Pmeisel 14:05, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I think we're getting closer to a good phrasing here. I think it's drastically wrong to say it the way it is quoted initially above — faded as the model minority stereotype came into prominence — because I don't think those two trends are explicitly linked. Nor is a broader discussion of anti-Asian prejudice appropriate here (e.g. the anger representing insecurity of autoworkers). That said, I think the model minority discussion is somehow pertinent to the 442nd. Try: Anti-Japanese sentiment remained strong into the 1960s, but faded along with other once-common prejudices, even while remaining strong in certain circles. Converseley, the story of the 442nd provided a leading example of what was to become the controversial model minority stereotype. Anybody like that (or parts)? --Dhartung | Talk 06:55, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I think that is an improvement and would support that change. Pmeisel 20:21, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Prominent Members[edit]

Should Eni Fa'aua'a Hunkin Faleomavaega, Jr. be included under prominent members? According to his House Democrats . gov profile he was a member of the 100 Battalion 442nd Infantry Reserve Unit, Ft. DeRussy, Hawaii (1982-1989). — J3ff 10:50, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Why not, although it would be worth making the distinction between members during WWII and members afterwards. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:17, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I don't see this as "notable" service. The WWII vets should be listed, of course. --Dhartung | Talk 22:13, 14 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Casualty rate[edit]

In point of fact, a casualty rate of 314% is not impossible, since that represents killed and wounded, of which some of the latter would return to action, while others would be replaced. That said, there is a controversy over these figures -- not just the 314% combat casualty rate, but also the 9,486 Purple Heart total on which it is based (9000 purple hearts for 3000 original soldiers = 300% -- but you can get a purple heart and not be counted as a casualty, viz. the controversy over John Kerry's field wounds). The formal casualty rate seems to be closer to 98% instead (3285 KIA/WIA vs. 3500 men originally fielded). See [1]. There are two things we should address, then -- the actual numbers need to be corrected, and the controversy needs to be mentioned. The link I've given shows the numbers for the casaulty rate, but the Purple Heart question may take some offline research; all I can find online is basically unattributed recirculation of the 9,486 number. The critics of the Smithsonian exhibit claim that's too high by a factor of three. --Dhartung | Talk 22:11, 14 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for the clarification. jdb ❋ (talk) 02:05, 15 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
There's no limit to how many medals (any medal) one can get. For example it wouldn't be surprising to have someone with 7 purple hearts(Pat Flynn) or 12 medals (Patrick "Tad" Tadina) it's just not that often and/or in a single war. There's no real point criticizing this other than being correct on the numbers. But it would be interesting to actually have the number of unique people receiving the various medals. Mightyname (talk) 12:24, 10 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

POV problem[edit]

As a result of the stellar record of the Japanese Americans serving in the 442nd and in the Military Intelligence Service (US Pacific Theater forces in WWII) greatly helped change the minds of anti-Japanese American critics in the US and resulted in easing of restrictions and the eventual release of the 120,000 strong community well before the end of WWII.
One notable US national effect of the service of the 442nd was to help convince Congress to end their opposition towards Hawaii's statehood petition. Twice before 1959, residents of Hawaii asked to be admitted to the US as the 49th State, but each time Congress was fearful of having a co-equal State that had a majority non-White population. The exemplary record of the Japanese Americans serving in the 442nd and the loyalty showed by the rest of Hawaii's population during WWII overcame Congress' fears and allowed Hawaii to be admitted as the 50th US State (Alaska with a tiny, mostly White population was admitted as the 49th State in order to counterbalance Hawaii's majority non-White majority.

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In post-WWII American popular slang, the phrase: "going for broke" was adopted from the 442nd's unit motto:"Go for Broke" which was derived from the Hawaiian pidgin phrase used by craps shooters risking all their money in one roll of the dice.

I've removed the above text, which was added by an anonymous editor. It sounds like it was cut-and-pasted from one of the 442nd history pages. While I'm sure much of it has a basis in fact, the style is too puffery for an encyclopedia. It's one thing to talk generally about racism; it's another to lay claim to specific causes of political events. I'd like to see some sources for those claims. Also, I highly doubt that the phrase "go for broke" was unknown before WW2 and the 442nd. It's perfectly grammatical regular English, not pidgin. --Dhartung | Talk 17:40, 14 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I did some very basic searching on the internet and I find that the phrase dates back at least to the 1600's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.0.37.134 (talk) 23:51, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

CA State Route 23[edit]

Seems to be some difference of opinion on for whom a portion of this road was dedicated. I offer this citation: from www.cahighways.org. Beanbatch 17:23, 1 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The relevant text from the CA legislative site (which fortunately begins in 1993!):
This measure would, in honor of the Nisei soldiers of World War II who served in units of the United States Armed Forces comprising the 100/442/MIS triad, designate specified segments of State Highway Routes 23 and 99 as the 442nd Regimental Combat Team Memorial Highway, the 100th Infantry Battalion Memorial Highway, and the Military Intelligence Service Memorial Highway, respectively....
Resolved by the Assembly of the State of California, the Senate thereof concurring, That, in honor of the Nisei Soldiers of World War II who served in units of the United States Armed Forces comprising the 100/442/MIS triad, the segments of State Highway Routes 23 and 99 described herein are hereby officially designated as follows:
(a) State Highway Route 23, from Highway 101 to Highway 118, as the Military Intelligence Service Memorial Highway.
(b) State Highway Route 99, between the Cities of Fresno and Madera, as the 100th Infantry Battalion Memorial Highway.
(c) State Highway Route 99, between the Cities of Salida and Manteca, as the 442nd Regimental Combat Team Memorial Highway; and be it further
Resolved, That each of the signs carrying those designations also include, in the lower right-hand corner, the following notations:
"A unit of the 100/422/MIS triad"
I'm correcting the text accordingly. --Dhartung | Talk 22:13, 1 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The Questionaire[edit]

The WRA issued a questionaire concerning loyalty to all interned Japanese before being allowed to serve... does anybody know where to find this document? It needs to be reprinted here on wikipedia. Sweetfreek 07:16, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure of the exact whereabouts of an actual copy of the questionnaire, but it must be archived somewhere. To see the text of what was on the questionnaire, you can visit here (http://www.landmarkcases.org/korematsu/questionnaire_loyalty.html). The controversial questions were 27 and 28...
27. If the opportunity presents itself and you are found qualified, would you be willing to volunteer for the Army Auxiliary Corps or the WAAC?
28. Will you swear unqualified allegiance to the United States of America and forswear any form of allegiance or obedience to the Japanese emperor, or any other foreign power, government, or organization?
Answering "no" to any of those questions made the government question the loyalty of the respondee, even if they had legitimate reasons for saying "no" (for example, a man who was the sole provider for his family, or a Issei with Japanese citizenship who was never allowed to apply for American citizenship). Those who answered "no-no" were especially in danger of being ostracized and flagged as traitors (look up the book "No No Boy" by John Okada).
Despite the barriers though, many Japanese Americans, especially the Nisei of the 442nd, answered "yes - yes" to the questions, though the fact that their loyalty was being questioned in the first place was a huge affront by the US government.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gar2chan (talk • contribs) 08:08, 10 March 2006.

Medals of Honor[edit]

The article is missing information on the 20 some Medal of Honor recipients that President Clinton awarded. They were awarded through an extensive reexamination of war records after it was claimed racism prevented some from attaining the award.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.247.68.137 (talk • contribs) 14:43, 8 March 2006.

In addition to these, I've heard (from person communications with members of my community who were interned) that many left the answer to the second question blank because it presumed that Japanese American nissei had allegiance toward the Japanese Emperor in the first place. Kenzilla — Preceding undated comment added 16:10, August 21, 2006

French version[edit]

Gosh - it all looks quite exciting! Is there anything there worth translating and copying over? -- ALoan (Talk) 11:01, 22 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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As a "Sansei", 3rd generation, I've made this French version to let them know what was goin' on, with all my feelings. After WWII, We gotta change our name for safety, to avoid being slapped after all that wartime propaganda: "slap ther jap". Now it's all over. My children and grand hildren go on their normal life in Montreal, QC, Canada. If needed, I'd re-write (not translate) the wanted parts. Just let me know.

Executive Order 9066: Japanese Relocation Order (1942)[edit]

Executive Order No.9066. The President Executive Order authorizing the Secretary of War to Prescribe Military Areas

"[...] Whereas the successful prosecution of the war requires every possible protection against espionage and against sabotage to national-defense material, national-defense premises, and national-defense utilities as defined in Section 4, Act of April 20th, 1918, 40 Stat. 533, as amended by the Act of november 30th , 1940, 54 Stat. 1220, and the Act of August 21st, 1941, 55 Stat. 655 (U.S.C., Title 50, Sec. 104);

Now, therefore, by virtue of the authority vested in me as President of the United States, and Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy,

I hereby authorize and direct the Secretary of War, and the Military Commanders whom he may from time to time designate, whenever he or any designated Commander deems such action necessary or desirable, to prescribe military areas in such places and of such extent as he or the appropriate Military Commander may determine, from which any or all persons may be excluded, and with respect to which, the right of any person to enter, remain in or leave shall be subject to whatever restrictions the Secretary of War or the appropriate Military Commander may impose in his discretion.

The Secretary of War is hereby authorized to provide for residents of any such area who are excluded therefrom, such transportation, food, shelter, and other accommodations as may be necessary, in the judgment of the Secretary of War or the said Military Commander, and until other arrangements are made, to accomplish the purpose of this order. The designation of military areas in any region or locality shall supersede designations of prohibited around restricted areas by the Attorney General under the Proclamations of December 7th and 8th 1941, and shall supersede the responsibility and authority of the Attorney General under the said Proclamations in respect of such prohibited and restricted areas.

I hereby further authorize and direct the Secretary of War and the said Military Commanders to take such other steps as he or the appropriate Military Commander may I deem advisable to enforce compliance with the restrictions applicable to each Military area herein above authorized to be designated, including the use of Federal troops and other Federal Agencies, with authority to accept assistance of state and local agencies.

I hereby further authorize and direct all Executive Departments, independent establishments and other Federal Agencies, to assist the Secretary of War or the said Military Commanders in carrying out this Executive Order, including the furnishing of medical aid, hospitalization, food, clothing, transportation, use of land, shelter, and other supplies, equipment, utilities, facilities, and services.This order shall not be construed as modifying or limiting in any way the authority heretofore granted under Executive Order No. 8972, dated December 12th 1941, nor shall it be construed as limiting or modifying the duty and responsibility of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, with respect to the investigation of alleged acts of sabotage or the duty and responsibility of the Attorney General and the Department of Justice under the Proclamations of December 7th and 8th 1941, prescribing regulations for the conduct and control of alien enemies, except as such duty and responsibility is superseded by the designation of military areas hereunder."

Franklin D. Roosevelt The White House, February 19th 1942

Takima — Preceding undated comment added 11:01, March 29, 2006

Spencer Tracy meets karate[edit]

Is a mention of Bad Day at Black Rock in place?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.250.143.131 (talk • contribs) 02:24, 22 March 2006.

Merge tags[edit]

The article on the 100th Battalion duplicates information already in this article. Anything about the battalions current service can be put in here. Cyane 17:26, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I concur--the battalion is actually now designated "100th Battalion, 442d Infantry." It is not a merging, but a naming to reflect the heirtage of all four battalions it represents. This is a descendant of the other, but not the same thing.--131.238.92.62 13:48, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. The 100th existed long before the 442nd, was only part of the 442nd for the last nine months of the War in Europe, then until the 442nd was deactivated a year after the end of the war, since which time the One-Puka-Puka has continued to exist. The 442nd owed its very existence to the 100th, not the other way around, and was made part of the 442nd only because the RCT was a larger unit. Even the RCT motto -- "Go for Broke!" -- came from the pidgin spoken by Hawaiian Nisei who had formed the 100th. We don't merge the article on the Marine Corps into the article for the Navy, and the two services are far more intimately related in every way than the 100th and the 442nd ever were. My neighbors who served in the One-Puka-Puka identify themselves that way, only identifying themselves with the 442nd when others bring up the issue. I don't see anything in the Wikipedia rules that says that being less famous than a younger brother is grounds for merging the two articles, despite similarities in appearance. --Critic-at-Arms

Surely the 100th is notable enough to deserve its own article? The articles will overlap, sure enough, but there is no pressing reason to merge them. -- ALoan (Talk) 22:17, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
According to Robert Asahina's book, the 442nd only had three battalion, not four as mentioned just above. The "1st" battalion was actually the 100th Battalion that was allowed to keep its name by General Mark Clark due to its outstanding service prior to being incorporated into the 442nd. Thomas R. Fasulo (talk) 00:56, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Crost book[edit]

  I added Lyn Crost's book to the bibliography which can be used to cite sections of the article. It is AFAIK the only book-length treatment of Japanese American soldiers in WWII. -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 05:19, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article tags[edit]

I tagged this article with the citations missing and refimprove tags because it has just two citations and they aren't even formatted properly. This article needs a lot more references/inline citations (see WP:CITE and WP:VERIFY). As for external links, they should be used instead as inline citations that would appear under references unless they are used to supplement what's already in the article (see WP:EL and WP:MOS). -- Gmatsuda (talk) 19:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)  [reply]

Crest[edit]

  I moved the following here, since I have no idea if it is accurate:   Note: 442nd World War II crest. The one above is post war   http://www.442ndrct.com/442DI.gif

Clarityfiend (talk) 23:06, 20 March 2008 (UTC)  [reply]

Non-Japanese?[edit]

  The intro says it was composed mostly of Japanese Americans. Any figures on how many and what other ethnic backgrounds were represented? Clarityfiend (talk) 23:09, 20 March 2008 (UTC)  [reply]

I don't have exact figures or statistics, but one of the 442nd's most famous members was Young-Oak Kim, a Korean American. He was born in LA and drafted into the US Army, went to Infantry Officer Candidate School, and later was assigned to the 100th, whom he served with until the end of WWII. --Gar2chan (talk) 10:27, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It might be important to separate out the officer/non-comm/"enlisted" ranks. 143.232.210.38 (talk) 18:58, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  At that time, Koreans were Japanese citizens, as the one who won a gold medal at the 1936 Olympic Game in Berlin for Japan. -- Takima (talk) 20:17, 12 August 2008 (UTC)  [reply]

Maybe true, but we are not talking about Japanese citizens here, as Kim and the others were American citizens —— the whole point of the problem the Japanese Americans faced during World War II. Kim actually had Nisei friends that he visited at the Jerome Relocation Center on his way after graduating from officer's candidate school prior to reporting to the 100th Battalion. When the battalion commander offered to transfer Kim out as "Koreans and Japanese hate each other," Kim replied, "You're wrong. They're Americans. I'm American and we're going to fight for America." This is from page 32-33 of Asahina's book. Thomas R. Fasulo (talk) 01:07, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Generally all of the officers were white; that what the intro was referring to. It also bears repeating that a percentage of decorations went to non-Japanese members of the unit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.105.99.127 (talk) 07:59, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the officers were caucasian. People don't like hearing that, but it's true. P1340 (talk) 02:40, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

PBS[edit]

  It may be useful. http://www.pbs.org/thewar/at_war_democracy_japanese_american.htm -- Takima (talk) 15:11, 12 August 2008 (UTC)  [reply]

Italians and Germans[edit]

  The article seems to be contradicted by other Wik articles that deal with internment. Even the one on Japanese-American internment mentions the (much lesser) internment of European Axis-heritage Americans. Kdammers (talk) 02:10, 17 August 2008 (UTC)  [reply]

Concern regarding propriety of the "Multiple Issues" tag[edit]

I feel that the multiple issues tag on the top of this article is relatively heavy-handed and inappropriate. I find it problematic to slap such a tag on top of an article, claiming that it needs better referencing without any effort to specify which statements require references. In response, I have added some references to the article already. Use of tags such as this often serve as efforts to discredit articles that have a good deal of validity. I would like to see this issue remedied. --Kukini háblame aquí 13:35, 23 September 2008 (UTC)  [reply]

The Articleissues template simply is a cleaner, easier way to add multiple tags to articles with more than one issue, like this one. It is not inappropriate or heavy-handed unless you feel like interpreting it that way. Fact is, this article is missing a boatload of inline citations and I shouldn't have to go through the entire article to point out where they all should be...like I said, it is missing a ton. And keep in mind that there are policies here on Wikipedia regarding verifiability and on the use of inline citations. This article doesn't meet the standards set forth in those policies yet. Tags are generally intended to be used to help point out where an article needs improvement. That was the intent. If you feel that they discredit the article, then I guess these tags should never be used. -- Gmatsuda (talk) 17:39, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't go so far to say that "they should never be used," but I would say that they should be used sparingly. I do think it appropriate to tag specific areas of concern with the "citation needed" tag, as this approach allows other editors to work at either providing citations as needed, to argue (on the talk page) for why they are not needed, or to delete the unsourced (and/or unsourcable) statements. Blanket tagging should be used with articles that have little or no citations at all, especially those without reference sections. I use them on such articles regularly myself.Kukini háblame aquí 18:03, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and thank you for the help with formatting the citations I have added. Kukini háblame aquí 18:04, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I was going to add...thanks for adding the citations you did. And yes, I went in and formatted all the citations correctly. :-) As for use of the tags, I disagree. For articles such as this one where so many citations are missing, it is silly to require anyone to add the cn or fact templates at the end of every sentence that needs a citation. If you read WP:CITE and WP:VERIFY carefully, it should become pretty clear what needs to be backed up with a verfiable inline citation and what does not. Moreover, in a controversial topic such as this one (there are those who dispute the record of the 100th/442nd just like there are those who deny that the Japanese American internment was unjust), it is better to provide as much verification as possible. Check out the Manzanar article, which is a Featured article, for an example of what I mean. Some may think it has too many citations, but I would disagree, and not just because I'm the primary contributor. That article is a solid piece of scholarship because it has been painstakingly researched. This one could be as well. -- Gmatsuda (talk) 18:27, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Almost forgot...you can find the correct format for citations here. -- Gmatsuda (talk) 18:36, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
BTW: One thing...for articles that do not have a References section and/or are entirely devoid of citations, that's where the "unreferenced" tag comes in. "Citations missing" is for articles that have some citations, but not nearly enough. -- Gmatsuda (talk) 22:54, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First Insignia[edit]

Not to be lost on history, the first insignia should be included if not even used officially. 143.232.210.38 (talk) 18:58, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also where is the hexagon with arm holding the torch insignia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.232.210.38 (talk) 22:53, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Go For Broke National Education Center[edit]

My name is Cody McDermott and I am interning at the Go For Broke National Education Center this summer. Right now I have been placed on a project, one piece of a larger intern project, that deals with editing or deleting and posting the correct information on anything dealing with Nisei during World War II. I will be editing this page during the next few weeks but have completed other pages such as the 100th Infantry Battalion, the Varsity Victory Volunteers, Japanese Americans Service in World War II, and Military History of Asian Americans. I will be working on the Military Intelligence Service also in the coming weeks. I understand this is not a forum page but I would like to make it clear that I have been charged with posting the correct information on a very popular website that shows up on almost every search done on a search engine by the Go For Broke National Education Center. Please feel free to go to the website http://goforbroke.org/ to learn more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Codycoytote (talk • contribs) 17:16, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Wikipedia! To make changes to articles that will stick, read the guideline at WP:CITE to see how to cite your sources. The pages at goforbroke.org which do not have an author listed, and do not cite their sources, will fail the guideline at WP:Reliable sources and WP:Verifiability. You will need to cite sources that have verifiable information and name their authors. Binksternet (talk) 17:42, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
For instance, you cited http://goforbroke.org/history/history_historical_veterans_442nd.asp ...a URL which has a lot of information but has no author or source listed. Cite a book, a newspaper item, a scholarly work or a magazine article. Cite a webpage that has an author and sources. Since you are at goforbroke, try editing the webpage to insert an author and footnotes.
Furthermore, your added section entitled "Individuals Becoming One" is little more than an essay, one with spelling and grammar errors. The word 'Hawaiian' does not need a grocer's apostrophe to make it plural; the phrase "rivalry would soon dissipated" is incorrect; in quoting the colonel of the 442d, you should name him; it is not made clear that the colonel's quote is not from a recording or transcription of a wartime comment—it is from a recent documentary, and is likely a paraphrasing.
Your assertion that the group became as one unit must be put into the voice of the observer who said it. Who is it who thinks the group became one after visiting Arkansas?
In this edit, you removed the nickname "Purple Heart Battalion" without giving any reason. Why take that out? You removed the bold article title from the first sentence, a breaking of Wikipedia's manual of style. See WP:MOS, and scroll down to "Article openings".
When citing the same source multiple times, name the cite and use a shortened version for subsequent cites. See WP:NAMEDREFS for guidance.
Don't lift whole sentences from your sources without putting them in quotes and citing the source. Binksternet (talk) 18:10, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
More stylistic advice:
  • Do not put contractions in your encyclopedia prose. "It is", not "it's".
  • Do not capitalize the second or subsequent words in section headers. Just the first word is capitalized, unless the header is a proper noun. For instance, your desired section (which I keep deleting) of "Individuals Becoming One" would be "Individuals becoming one", except that the phrase expresses a point of view and is not encyclopedic. Such a section, if suitably written, should be entitled "Group cohesion", "Esprit de corps" or "Group unity"; something like that.
  • Similarly, your section heading "Reunion and the First Test" should have only 'reunion' capitalized. Your "Service and Decorations" should be "Service and decorations".
  • Do not start a sentence with "One would think"—instead, name who it is who thinks this.
  • Do not start a sentence with "It was felt"—instead, name who it is who felt this.
  • Somebody needs to decide whether this article gets American civilian date format of mdy (December 7, 1941) or the U.S. military and international date format of dmy (7 December 1941). Once the decision is made, all dates in the article should be aligned with the decision. Binksternet (talk) 19:50, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for welcoming me to the website and I really do appreciate your feedback. I will be going back to fix the mistakes I made. I will start putting my reasoning down or a summary of what I had change to make everything a smoother transition.

Regarding to the changing of the "Purple Heart Battalion," the reason I changed it was because the 442nd was not the "Purple Heart Battalion," it was the 100th Infantry Battalion that would end up being the 1st Battalion of the 442nd Regimental Combat Team. Also, about sourcing the website, the pages do not have an author as they were put together by the Go For Broke National Education Center. I discussed it with my boss Randy, in which to confirm you can reach him by email, randy@goforbroke.org, and he said putting the website as a source is just fine. It is not a random website but is a professional website that has the correct information and we do hold over 700 interviews of Nisei veterans. Not to sound like I'm trying to slam you but I am just explaining where I am coming from. I am a History major at Whittier College and I completely understand the whole citing sources issue and to prevent plagarism. I thank you for your feedback and will get back to correcting mistakes that were made, THANK YOU. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Codycoytote (talk • contribs) 20:00, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I started a discussion about the GoForBroke.org webpage at this discussion board: Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Veteran's group called Go For Broke National Education Center. Let's see what others say about the webpage you are using as a source. Binksternet (talk) 21:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Forgetting the source itself for a moment, the additions, in their current form are unacceptable for wikipedia and should not be re-added. --Cameron Scott (talk) 22:05, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

First Paragraph[edit]

Um, that first paragraph is a bit over the top,"they fought two wars, WW2, and prejudice in america", "they needed to win big". Seriously, this shouldn't be in an encyclopedia, and that was just the first paragraph, I wonder what comes later on. --Wastedgrunt36 —Preceding undated comment added 15:16, 23 October 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Purple Hearts' Number[edit]

While one can certainly find many web sites listing the figure of over 9,000 purple hearts awarded to the 442nd Regiment, Senator Daniel Inouye, a Medal of Honor winner and 442nd veteran, stated in Senate testimony on June 13, 2000 that the regiment received over 3,600 purple hearts. Perhaps he was just referencing recipients who could have received it multiple times. Still, the 3,600 figure seems low since web site, the442.org, lists a total of 4,419 casualties with 650 killed in action. Incidentally, while it is commonly stated the 442nd had the highest casualties of any regiment, the 15th Regiment of the 3rd Division were higher. The latter suffered 1,633 killed and 5,812 wounded during World War II. A final note, the 442nd's casualty to death ratio figure of almost 7 is far too high. The regiment fought largely on the same fronts as the 3rd & 36th Divisions which have ratios of around 4.TL36 (talk) 20:08, 16 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A link for Senator Inouye's testimony:

http://books.google.com/books?id=cT1BOgQ2Ys8C&pg=PA10420&lpg=PA10420&dq=442nd+REGIMENT+Purple+Heart+total&source=bl&ots=GLgZrrTgNl&sig=BKWfACMEL_RoZJ0JQsxcGDddO8s&hl=en&ei=P8jiTK3FGYKclges8-W5Aw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&sqi=2&ved=0CEYQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://www.the442.org/442ndfacts.html (Partially under construction)

As I just said above (under Casualty) there's no point in arguing over the numbers of medals as anyone can have multiple medals other than having correct numbers. Being in the same area means nothing. A unit just next to the other can receive all the artillery bombardment while the other gets nothing. Not only is the situation from the units different but also their task or mission is, too. While the attacked one might be forced to attack and come under more fire the other could just be getting around for a flank attack. Big difference. For what it's worth to get some real statistics everything has to be accounted for: getting real human numbers (and their stories) and most importantly checking the criteria for the classifications (what counts as casualty since this could change from era to era), and filtering the unique number of people receiving medals. After this long time, it's virtually impossible to do this let alone verify it and then be sure at all. It might be better to list all the numbers as is being originally provided from various sources. At some point something (connection) might become apparent from looking at them all rather than just looking for a certain number. Mightyname (talk) 12:40, 10 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Korean War Service[edit]

There is presently no information regarding the units participation in the Korean War. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 23:10, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nisei and Pearl Harbor[edit]

The first sentence of the background section says that Nisei were Japanese Americans born after the attack on Pearl Harbor, which doesn't make any sense at all because if they were born after Pearl Harbor, they would be toddlers fighting in WWII. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.46.200.84 (talk) 02:21, 27 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

442nd[edit]

My husband's father was killed in action on 1-11-44 when my husband was 3 yrs old. He was in command somewhere around Salerno at the time of his death. After many years of research and old letters saved by my mother in law we have found that he was killed by German snipers, most likely while in advance scout of enemy positions. Due to a fire destroying all military record's in, I believe, St Louis, it has been hard to find much more. There was a Captain Blood that my husband found a few years before his death also and he filled him in a bit. But it a shame, that as the years have gone by any documentation is so little and far between. My father in law's name was First Lt. Kenneth Elvin Eaton. Born in 1910. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.221.71.167 (talk) 15:45, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Gutting most of the garbage[edit]

article reminds me of "black egypitans" or some other fntasy that's largely based on nonsensical garbage. the first main body of the article stated that most of the fighters in this regiment were toddlers do i need to tell you this is a lie?) And that their families were interned, a grossly biased, assumptive, and largely untrue premise. the entire article is similar. it's a handful of truths tied together by bunch of lies/exaggerations. not even remotely encyclopedic. 68.115.53.79 (talk) 01:39, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

missing deployments[edit]

There is a .missing deployment for 100/442 inf. I was deployed to Iraq in 2008-2009 with c company. The mission was to escort supplies from Kuwait into Iraq. Lost multiple members including my room mate cpl. Casey L Hills — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.165.139.132 (talk) 22:52, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was also present for this deployment in Bravo Company. I can corroborate the initial post regarding SPC Casey Mills' death as I was at the final Roll Call at the Camp Virginia chapel. The 100th BN, 442nd IN REG provided rifle overwatch, convoy security, and other duties in Kuwait and Iraq, mobilizing and demobilizing from Ft. Hood. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.102.91.202 (talk) 19:38, 13 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]



Film "Go For Broke" on iTunes[edit]

If the film ever was, it is no longer free on iTunes as this article states. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.31.213.12 (talk) 21:33, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

In hopes of addressing some of the concerns about lack of citations I've tried to add references to reliable sources where I could find them and added a citation needed tag where I couldn't In addition, the references and further reading sections had morphed into a creature that was neither fish nor fowl in that it didn't track any one system of citation. I have tried to address this but moving towards one system. I have no preference amongst the various systems out there, but had to pick one direction to go. More work needed to be done, of course, before this article reflects the excellence of the amazing unit that is its subject.Ocalafla (talk) 20:02, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

2010 movie[edit]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1653647/ 442: Live with Honor, Die with Dignity Bizzybody (talk) 19:08, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I'd like to add a link to the Tuskegee Airmen in the See Also section. Both were American majority-minority units that served in WWII with distinction.

I would also consider the Māori Battalion to be similar other than nationality. --Spellingbee91 (talk) 06:44, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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100th Battalion[edit]

I'll admit I do not fully grasp the labelling/naming pattern with military regiments, battalions, units, squads, etc., but this sentence sounds like it contains an error: "Because of its combat record, the 100th was allowed to keep their original designation, with the 442nd renaming its 1st Infantry Battalion as its 100th Infantry Battalion."

It sounds like the 100th battalion, after being transferred to the 442nd Infantry Regiment, retained its designation as the 100th battalion. Furthermore, the sentence seems to indicate the 442nd's 1st Infantry Battalion was renamed the 100th Infantry Battalion. That doesn't make much sense since there would then be two 100th battalions in the same regiment. There might even be three 100th battalions if the 442nd Infantry Regiment already had a 100th battalion before the other 100th battalion was transferred and the 1st battalion was renamed. This is very confusing. If someone knows how to clear this up, please edit the sentence or section accordingly. Thank you. 66.91.36.8 (talk) 12:59, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Prior to its arrival in Italy, as noted in the attached source, the 442nd had transferred much of its 1st Infantry Battalion personnel to replace members of the 100th Battalion. When the 442nd did arrive in Italy, it did so without its remaining members of the 1st Battalion (see the last paragraph at [2]). So when the 100th Battalion joined the 442nd, it did so as a replacement for the 442nd's 1st Infantry Battalion. See also 442nd Infantry Regiment (United_States)#Reunion with the 100th. I'll edit the lede to state that the 442nd arrived in Europe with only two of its three infantry battalions. Thanks for pointing out this shortcoming in the text.—Myasuda (talk) 01:09, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Numbers[edit]

These numbers seem all over the place: 1. "More than 12,000 Nisei volunteers answered the call." 2. "Ultimately 2,686 from Hawaii and 1,500 from U.S. incarceration camps assembled..." 3. "Size ~3800" 4. "...the unit quickly grew to its fighting complement of 4,000 men..." 5. "...an eventual total of about 14,000 men served overall."


Why do none of these numbers match? If 12,000 Nisei volunteered and 14,000 men served overall, were there 2,000 non-Nisei in the 442nd? 2,686 from Hawaii and 1,500 from the incarceration camps make 4,186. Why are 3,800 and 4,000 also given as the size of the force? Do some numbers account for casualties while others don't? From the highest number (14,000) to the lowest (3,800), what accounts for the difference? Casualties? Discharges? Transfers to other regiments?

To a lay person, these number discrepancies are confusing. It would be helpful if someone with the appropriate knowledge clarified this and made distinctions either with explanatory parenthetical statements, footnotes, or even a separate paragraph in the text if necessary. 66.91.36.8 (talk) 20:32, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Per my reading, 12,000+ corresponds only to volunteers. The number of inductees was closer to 4,000, which was about the size of the effective fighting force at any one time. The 14,000 number is the total that served during the war: see the first paragraph at Service decorations and legacy. I'll modify the infobox to say ~4000 instead of ~3800, due to variability in numbers during the war. Feel free to suggest other changes to help clarify the article.—Myasuda (talk) 01:40, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Misspelling[edit]

"Seravezza" Italy, not Serravezza.

minor typo. 2603:8000:B500:95BB:10E9:DEB0:4092:BD87 (talk) 02:50, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Thanks!–Myasuda (talk) 13:22, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Earl Melvin Finch: new article?[edit]

Zolotow, Maurice (1945-11-10). "The Man who Astonished Hattiesburg". The Saturday Evening Post.

Earl Melvin Finch (December 5, 1915 - August 25, 1965): The One Man U.S.O.
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