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Rules[edit]

We need a section here on the rules - any takers?2toise 12:09, 18 Oct 2003 (UTC)

i got like 4 copies in text files, and the script. i don't know how to use this wiki stuff but i can send them to you if you want to post them,

Actually I second this. There should be a description of the game, after all Guyball and quidditch have their own articles.-

Move page (2004)[edit]

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In the movie, it is referred to as BASEketball, not Baseketball. Should we move it to BASEketball? —Frecklefoot 22:04, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Well, I see that BASEketball redirects to this article, though I think it should be the other way around. I know it looks unusual, but BASEketball is the way it is used in the movie. — Frecklefoot | Talk 19:26, Sep 20, 2004 (UTC)

Yes exactly. The movie is not Baseketball, it's BASEketball. We should move it. Krazykillaz 8 July 2005 02:37 (UTC)

Done Like Dinner --Ballchef 13:15, 13 August 2005 (UTC)--[reply]

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Cut list of psych-outs[edit]

Also done like dinner. a preview is listed in the article, and the full list can be found here --Ballchef 13:34, 13 August 2005 (UTC)--[reply]

This article is horseshit[edit]

90% of this crap devoted to the rules of a fictional sport, 10% devoted to actual facts about the movie? I nominate this article for a "Why Wikipedia will never be mainstream" award. 68.88.65.234 20:14, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I bought this DVD for one reason: The cameo appearance of Dale Earnhardt. I like Matt and Trey, and watch South Park, but this is the reason I bought the movie. One of Dale Earnhardt's few appearances outside of Nascar. Kf4mgz 04:52, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly, I must agree. This article suffers from a bad case of WP:PEACOCK and WP:CRUFT. It also fails to mention perhaps the most notable fact about this movie, that it was a critical and box-office flop. Not having seen the movie myself I don't think I'm qualified to edit the article much, and I certainly am not about to waste my life on this movie. NTK 02:50, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Holy crap, talk about pessimism! I rewrote a decent plot coverage and then came to the talk page to read the comments. You know, it's much easier to be a critic than a creator. Cburnett 19:13, 10 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

David: Im from germany and we play this so-called „fictional“ sport since 2001. We play it every warm day in summer and every not to cold winterday. We also have are own nonofficial BASEketball cup. Ist just great fun and for all players this article is wonderful. p.s.: best movie ever made!

If the game is played, then perhaps it should be given its own article, while this article concentrates on the movie. Jztinfinity 23:50, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pruning[edit]

I pruned a lot of the article, agreeing with the sentiments by the unsigned IP address above ("This article is horseshit"). It was entirely too long for a sport created pretty much as a plot device in a not-particularly-successful movie. Oh yeah, it was mostly unsourced, also. Thunderbunny 08:16, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Facts about the actual movie[edit]

Was it a success in theaters? Budget? Earnings? I agree with the comments made above... - 149.152.23.23 19:08, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Important plot point being skipped over[edit]

I think it's worth mentioning that, within the sphere of the film, a sports career is the basic equivalent as a high-paying business career, due to the level of payment being so great. i.e. the yuppie jerks at the party, instead of, say, getting MBAs, are all going into sports. This is important because it gives a better sense of just how corrupted sports has become, that people see it only as a money-making career, not a pastime they enjoy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.118.95.131 (talk) 16:57, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

BASEketball vs Baseketball (2008)[edit]

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I think it should return to BASEketball. -- MS >>> 03:28, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

After a discussion (see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Films#Spelling rules versus the films title - again), it was determined that "BASEketball" rather than "Baseketball" is the proper spelling for this film. The lone objection cited the WP:MOSTM guidelines. However, those guidelines state at the top of the page Editors should follow it, except where common sense and the occasional exception will improve an article. It further states that some exceptions (like eBay and iPod) can depart from standard written English because of consensus. It is felt that by using BASEketball, common sense and consensus are being exercised. The term is correct because: 1) of use in numerous reliable sources, e.g. LA Times, Chicago Sun Times, Washington Post. Entertainment Weekly, Variety and even Califonia Supreme Court documents (page 10)] by the WGA.; 2) It has been used in WP for four years by the consensus of dozens of editors working on this article; and 3) the consensus of editors in the recent discussion. — CactusWriter | ^needles 15:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, apparently wikipedia would rather be consistently wrong rather than use the correct style. The NY times (which incidentally uses a house style most similar to wikipedia) actually uses Baseketball [1]. Further, the film itself does not use the style BASEketball. It is all capitalised, with some letters larger than others. Read the back of the DVD case... is it half capitalised? NO. Unfortunately, people are more concerned about preserving some stylistic formatting, which doesn't even exist, just because some other publications incorrectly use it. common sense would suggest that just because others incorrectly use this style, doesn't mean wikipedia should, especially as the film doesn't even use it! Why people cannot comprehend this, I do not know. Nouse4aname (talk) 15:16, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Further, I also cited Wikipedia:Naming_conventions#Use_standard_English_for_titles_even_if_trademarks_encourage_otherwise, which is policy not a guideline. Wikipedia:Naming_conventions#Use_the_most_easily_recognized_name was cited in opposition, but this refers to spelling, rather than capitalization (otherwise the two policies are clearly contradicting each other). For instance, Bill Clinton should be used, even though his actual name is William Jefferson Clinton. This is because people are more likely to search the former term, rather than the latter. BASEketball and Baseketball (as well as baseketball) are all essentially the same search terms. iPod and eBay are not capitalised because the second letter is capitalised, and IPod and EBay are never used. With Baseketball, both capitalisations are used in various sources, with no real consistency. Additionally, the note at WP:MOSTM "Editors should follow it, except where common sense and the occasional exception will improve an article" has also been quoted; however, no one has actually explained how the use of an incorrect capitalization actually improves the article. And yet a further point, BASEketball is used in the article to refer to both the film and the fictitious game. However, there is no precedent that the game is actually capitalised in this way. Anyway, I see that people are too concerned with preserving what they view as the actual name of a film to bother trying to understand that it is not. Good luck with your English exams kids. Nouse4aname (talk) 16:13, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You've made your point, any number of times, in any number of forums, and each time consensus disagrees with you, so either you're wrong, or the rest of us are exceedingly stupid. Whichever is the case, it's over. Move on with your life, please. Ed Fitzgerald _{t / c} 21:54, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not stupid, just ignorant to reason. Nouse4aname (talk) 10:03, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever. Ed Fitzgerald _{t / c} 17:09, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Come on, give 4 a break. When the New York Times speaks, he must adhere, because he's (self-admittedly, I might add) ignorant to reason. Joshua Ingram (talk) 21:36, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dude, you are replying to a five month old post with a personal insult. May I redirect you here? Darrenhusted (talk)

I was replying to a post that was pertinent to the discussion. Did I look at the date? No. Did I care? Absolutely not. And, by the way, why are you watching a five-month-old discussion so intently? May I suggest you look into getting some of this? Joshua Ingram (talk) 22:21, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion was about a page move made five months ago, the issue was resolved. The page is on my watchlist because it attracts OR. Are you here to make a contribution or make comments on a dead issue? I suggest you read this. And you may not want to act so desperate, or comment on a five year old discussion. The dates are clear, try reading them. Darrenhusted (talk) 22:30, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah. I'm the desperate one. There's no way I was being sarcastic, none at all. I'm all alone in this nasty, horrific world. Nevermind my beautiful wife, or any of my friends, who cares? You must teach me. How can I learn to spend all day Sunday watching for the ignorant new guy, waiting for my time to look cool and pounce on someone who is still learning the ropes? How can I get back to how it was in High School, everyone bowing down to me because I was the bully everyone was afraid of? How can I spend all my time talking about such important things like you do? Teach me!

Seriously, you started this crap, now let it go. I have more important things to do, so I will let it be known that I will no longer be responding to things said here. But, keep an eye on my talk page, cause I'm sure it won't be let go of. Joshua Ingram (talk) 22:48, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations, you picked a page which I don't edit. Of the last 150 edits to my own talk page I've made about ten, and they have all been to archive other people's comments. Most of them are other editors asking me questions about edits I have made, not me posting to my own page asking people to talk to me. And you don't link wikipages with single brackets, you link them with double brackets. You link diffs with single brackets. You may also want to use the show preview button, instead of doing multiple edits. Oh and you started with an attack on Nouse4aname. Darrenhusted (talk) 23:17, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy[edit]

Please see above for why Baseketball is the correct name of the film and not BASEketball. There is no reason to incorrectly partially capitalise the name, just because other media outlets do it. BASEketball should remain as a redirect to Baseketball. See WP:MOSTM and Naming Conventions. Nouse4aname (talk) 11:03, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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BASE - ketball[edit]

Was hoping this would be about a sport that combined BASE jumping with basketball... 84.93.103.1 (talk) 22:45, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Me too dude, me too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.175.98.137 (talk) 19:40, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 9 November 2015[edit]

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Preponderance of sources appears to outweigh our usual naming conventions in this case. Jenks24 (talk) 05:12, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

– BASE here does not seem to be an acronym. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:43, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, the styling of BASE differentiates it further from Basketball, one of the sports it was named after. ONR (talk) 07:14, 9 November 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Old Naval Rooftops (talk • contribs)
Oppose for several reasons, mainly because "BASE" is an 'official' stylization, just like iPhone and eBay. "Baseketball" is wrong for the same reasons IPhone and EBay are wrong. The fact that it's not an acronym has little to do with anything. —DangerousJXD (talk) 07:47, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Old Naval Rooftops and DangerousJXD. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:46, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. If there were reliable sources writing the title of this film as Baseketball, then I could see merit in moving. However, all the reliable sources I found appear to write BASEketball, so there is no basis to make this change. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 16:21, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I shouldn't say "all"; The New York Times in its review does write just Baseketball here. But the vast majority of news sources do appear to write BASEketball. The book sources also do this as well. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 16:24, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the iPhone and eBay examples are part of a specific exemption on the WP:MOSTM which allows words that start with a lowercase letter if the rest of her word follows standard English. This clearly is not the case here so I don't think an exemption that does not even apply here should be a valid reasons to oppose.--65.94.253.102 (talk) 03:03, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I was talking about any stylization, not just a lowercase first letter. More examples are Jeopardy! and American Dad!. I was not referring to any guideline. "EBay", "IPhone", "Jeopardy", and "American Dad" are all typos. As I said, so is "Baseketball". —DangerousJXD (talk) 06:28, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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