Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring

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This page is for reporting active edit warriors and recent violations of restrictions like the three-revert rule. See this guide for instructions on creating diffs for this report. If you see that a user may be about to violate the three-revert rule, consider warning them by placing {{subst:uw-3rr}} on their user talk page. You must notify any user you have reported. You may use {{subst:An3-notice}} ~~~~ to do so. You can subscribe to a web feed of this page in either RSS or Atom format. Additional notes When reporting a user here, your own behavior will also be scrutinized. Be sure you understand WP:REVERT and the definitions below first. The format and contents of a 3RR/1RR report are important, use the "Click here to create a new report" button below to have a report template with the necessary fields to work from. Possible alternatives to filing here are dispute resolution, or a request for page protection. Violations of other restrictions, like WP:1RR violations, may also be brought here. Your report should include two reverts that occurred within a 24-hour period, and a link to where the 1RR restriction was imposed. Definition of edit warring Edit warring is a behavior, typically exemplified by the use of repeated edits to "win" a content dispute. It is different from a bold, revert, discuss (BRD) cycle. Reverting vandalism and banned users is not edit warring; at the same time, content disputes, even egregious point of view edits and other good-faith changes do not constitute vandalism. Administrators often must make a judgment call to identify edit warring when cooling disputes. Administrators currently use several measures to determine if a user is edit warring. Definition of the three-revert rule (3RR) An editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Violations of this rule normally attract blocks of at least 24 hours. Any appearance of gaming the system by reverting a fourth time just outside the 24-hour slot is likely to be treated as a 3RR violation. See here for exemptions. Sections older than 48 hours are archived by Lowercase sigmabot III.
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User:Mzexpert reported by User:Davey2010 (Result: Blocked indefinitely)

Page: Comic Con Arabia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

User being reported: Mzexpert (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to:

Diffs of the user's reverts:

1. 20:21, 7 May 2024 (UTC) "Correct first line"
2. 18:31, 7 May 2024 (UTC) "I added correct information about comic con arabia not saudi comic con"
3. 18:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC) "Added good version of original comic con arabia"

Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:

1. 18:30, 7 May 2024 (UTC) "Warning: Edit warring."
2. 18:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC) "Warning: Three-revert rule."
3. 18:45, 7 May 2024 (UTC) "rm as now moot - by all means update the article but please don't paste that stuff back - please take a look at different articles and word things to how articles are worded here if that makes sense"

Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:

Comments:

User is adding promotional content to the article and is edit warring over it, Thanks –Davey2010^Talk 21:08, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

3 different IPs had added this crap yesterday here, here and here which I suspect are all the warrer, Thanks –Davey2010^Talk 21:11, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

• Note Reported user got g-locked for Lock evasion. Nobody (talk) 09:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

  Oh okay fantastic, Obviously withdraw this now that the account's meta-locked. Thanks, Kind Regards, –Davey2010^Talk 09:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

• Blocked – for a period of indefinitely as global lock evasion. - Aoidh (talk) 11:33, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

User:Rsparkles reported by User:Sariel Xilo (Result: Page protected)

Page: Cameron Stewart (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: Rsparkles (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to: 13:45, 29 April 2024

Diffs of the user's reverts:

1. 16:50, 7 May 2024 to 16:55, 7 May 2024
2. 17:03, 7 May 2024 to 17:05, 7 May 2024
3. 17:11, 7 May 2024
4. 17:21, 7 May 2024
5. 17:26, 7 May 2024

Diffs of the IP's reverts:

1. 13:46, 7 May 2024
2. 16:29, 7 May 2024
3. 7 May 2024 to 17:02, 7 May 2024
4. 17:07, 7 May 2024
5. 17:17, 7 May 2024
6. 17:22, 7 May 2024

Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning:

1. 17:10, 7 May 2024 (Template used: Softer edit warring notice for new editors)
2. 17:30, 7 May 2024 (Template used: Violation/potential violation of the three revert rule)

Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: Original discussions occurred on the editor's talk page instead of the article's talk page

1. User talk:Rsparkles 7 May 2024 to 17:09, 7 May 2024
2. User talk:Rsparkles 17:14, 7 May 2024 to 17:46, 7 May 2024
3. User talk:WlKlCZECH11 22:01, 7 May 2024 to 22:17, 7 May 2024
4. Talk:Cameron Stewart#Allegations of sexual misconduct

Diff of ANEW notice posted to user's talk page:

1. Rsparkles
2. IP 2600:1700:B92:900:D6B:599:4ADE:99EC

Comments:

I'm not a checkuser so I don't know if Rsparkles is also the IP editor or if this is multiple editors doing the same thing. Rsparkles & the IP editor have been removing part of the controversy section (specifically, that Stewart was dropped from comics projects which is cited by industry outlets) & minor rephrasing of parts. Two different editors tried discussing this on Rsparkles' talk while Rsparkles kept restoring their preferred version; during this, I suggested bringing it to the article's talk in an edit summary and gave Rsparkles an edit war notice & then a 3RR notice. Even without the IP's contributions, Rsparkles has gone past 3RR. To restore to the stable version of the article (29 April 2024) would take me past 3RR, so I'm bringing this here instead. Thanks! Sariel Xilo (talk) 22:33, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I am involved, as I reverted and warned IP user 2600:1700:B92:900:D6B:599:4ADE:99EC (talk · contribs), but I'd just like to say that this seems to be a violation of WP:NPOV as the section is well-sourced and it appears to be an attempt to sanitise the individual's entry on Wikipedia. Rsparkles (talk · contribs) behaviour (continuing to revert after being warned about WP:3RR) is clearly problematic so may warrant sanctions, but I think perhaps applying pending changes protection might also be justified as this also occurred in January which was left unchecked until March. Adam Black ^{talk • contributions} 03:09, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I think Adam Black hit the nail on the head here; this isn't the first time this has occurred where a mix of IPs and just registered editors try to sanitize this subsection. I did go to RPP before the edit war escalated but it hasn't been reviewed yet. Sariel Xilo (talk) 03:51, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

The other thing I want to flag is that after I put the notice here, a new editor (WlKlCZECH11 (talk · contribs)) started to engage in the exact behavior as Rsparkles (from article changes to the language used in the edit summary). When I put a notice on edit warring on their talk, they did not respond but oddly Rsparkles did (included a link to the discussion above). Rsparkles later denied that they are also WlKlCZECH11; not sure if the best practice is to also put a notice at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations or to wait until this discussion resolves. Sariel Xilo (talk) 04:00, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

• Page protected by User:Dennis Brown for 1 month. Aoidh (talk) 11:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

User:79.31.103.194 reported by User:Generalrelative (Result: Blocked 72 hours)

Page: Social Darwinism (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: 79.31.103.194 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to: [1]

Diffs of the user's reverts:

1. [2] 11:32, 6 May 2024
2. [3] 13:27, 6 May 2024
3. [4] 15:15, 6 May 2024
4. [5] 15:21, 7 May 2024
5. [6] 04:52, 8 May 2024

Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning: [7]

Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: [8]

Diff of ANEW notice posted to user's talk page: [9]

Comments: We've been seeing similar edits [10][11] and blanking [12] on this article from IPs in recent weeks. Page protection may be warranted. Generalrelative (talk) 05:27, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I've requested semi-protection at WP:RFPP. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 06:07, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Meanwhile, one more revert from the IP:

6. [13] 06:03, 8 May 2024

Generalrelative (talk) 06:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

• Blocked – for a period of 72 hours Aoidh (talk) 11:29, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

User:94.200.83.10 reported by User:TarnishedPath (Result: Blocked)

Page: Ben Roberts-Smith (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported (IP Address 1: 94.200.83.10 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
User being reported (IP Address 2: 2001:8F8:1D63:6485:17CD:3B73:BC40:4AD0 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
User being reported (IP Address 3: 2001:8F8:1DB8:D0CC:17CD:28BA:D210:BE90 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to: [14]

Diffs of the user's reverts:

1. [15]
2. [16]
3. [17]
4. [18]

Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning: [19]

Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: [20]

Diff of ANEW notice posted to user's talk page: [21]

Comments:

Three IPs provided as editor is IP hoping around addresses in the United Arab Emerites. TarnishedPath^talk 06:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
Please refer to Special:Diff/1222837817 for an admission by the editor that the different IP addresses are them. TarnishedPath^talk 06:57, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

It's a statement, not an admission - I've not tried to hide that there are different IPs. 94.200.83.10 (talk) 06:59, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

OK, thanks for your further admission I guess. It will make it easier for an admin to determine that you violated 3RR. TarnishedPath^talk 07:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Quite probably. Obviously ignoring 3rr is far worse than making egregious BLP violations and wildly ignoring established consensus like you. 2001:8F8:1D63:6485:17CD:3B73:BC40:4AD0 (talk) 09:36, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

There was no BLP violation. Stating there was indicates that you have no understanding of BLP. There's no excuse for you violating 3RR. TarnishedPath^talk 09:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

There absolutely is a BLP violation, and the RfC responses demonstrate that. Starting that there wasn't inductees that you have no understanding of BLP 2001:8F8:1D63:6485:17CD:3B73:BC40:4AD0 (talk) 11:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Per WP:BLPPUBLIC, "In the case of public figures, there will be a multitude of reliable published sources, and BLPs should simply document what these sources say. If an allegation or incident is noteworthy, relevant, and well documented, it belongs in the article—even if it is negative and the subject dislikes all mention of it". The fact that you still haven't self-reverted after 4 reverts speaks against you. TarnishedPath^talk 11:50, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

It's a BLPCRIME violation which trumps BLPPUBLIC. The is not a criminal conviction. We cannot call him a war criminal in wikivoice. The other responses to the RfC all understand this. I'm not going to revert to a version that violates such a fundamental policy. There are also not multiple RS that explicitly call him a war criminal, despite your repeated claims. 2001:8F8:1D63:6485:17CD:3B73:BC40:4AD0 (talk) 11:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

For interest, Not longer ago I looked over talk archives in order to see which editors were involved in previous discussions in order to alert them to current discussions. While doing so, I found your claim of established consensus lacking. TarnishedPath^talk 10:54, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

• I've blocked the IPv4 for 3 months and 2001:8F8:1D00:0:0:0:0:0/40 for 72h, both for block evasion (User:Orchomen).--Bbb23 (talk) 12:23, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

User:Deusestlux reported by User:MrThe1And0nly (Result: )

Page: Demography of the Roman Empire (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: Deusestlux (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to: [22]

Diffs of the user's reverts:

1. [23]
2. [24]
3. [25]
4. [26]
5. [27]
6. [28]

Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning: [29]

Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: [30] But also on user talk page: [31]

Diff of ANEW notice posted to user's talk page: [32]

Comments:
We haven't edited since the warning, but since we may have both engaged in edit warring beforehand, and since he has been totally unresponsive in attempting to discuss the issue, my only way forward is to seek admin help via reporting, for the alternatives are a) keep reverting, surely risking a block, or b) give up the issue entirely. My goal here is to simply get them to engage in a discussion of the matter.

Soooo, it seems going back to reverting Deusestlux (talk · contribs) is all I can do? No response from them, and no response here. MrThe1And0nly (talk) 07:48, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

User:Revirvlkodlaku reported by User:91.217.105.54 (Result: Reporter blocked)

Page: Kaszanka (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: Revirvlkodlaku (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to: [diff preferred, link permitted]

Diffs of the user's reverts:

1. [33]
2. [34]
3. [35]
4. [36]

User deleted my post on their talk page when I made claim of edit warring.

The edits were commented properly, user reverted with disregard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.217.105.54 (talk • contribs)

They're well within their rights to remove your comments; meanwhile you seem to be removing sourced information without justification. Perhaps you should discuss it on the article's talk page. — Czello ^(music) 11:00, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

• Reporter blocked.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:57, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

User:91.217.105.54 reported by User:Czello (Result: Blocked one week)

Page: Kaszanka (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

User being reported: 91.217.105.54 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to:

Diffs of the user's reverts:

1. 12:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC) "Undid revision 1222868951 by Czello (talk) That's not what it says at all. Here is the English version of the source "kaszanka must have made its way to Poland from either Denmark or from Germany, through Silesia. Wherever it first came from, it is eaten to this day." It seems you are edit warring in behalf of the previous user, Revirvlkodlaku."
2. 12:20, 8 May 2024 (UTC) "Undid revision 1222861710 by Czello (talk) The source material states it is not a historical fact. What is stated on this page is just wrong interpretation."
3. 10:32, 8 May 2024 (UTC) "Undid revision 1222702719 by Revirvlkodlaku (talk)"
4. 08:22, 7 May 2024 (UTC) "The place of origin is still unknown and the source referenced is in a foreign language"

Comments:

Deletion of sourced material, refusal to discuss on talk despite request to. Oddly their last edit summary quotes something that supports the text they are deleting. — Czello ^(music) 12:44, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I did not receive any request on the talk page and the previous editor deleted my request on talk page.

The text "it originates from Germany" and "kaszanka must have made its way to Poland from either Denmark or from Germany, through Silesia. Wherever it first came from, it is eaten to this day" from the reference are 2 totally different statements.

The reference is also from a pop-culture editorial website. They have no sources of their own cited. 91.217.105.54 (talk) 13:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

• Blocked – for a period of one week. Bbb23 (talk) 13:56, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

User:Cali Farah reported by User:Cordless Larry (Result: Indefinitely blocked)

Page: Demographics of Somalia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

User being reported: Cali Farah (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to:

Diffs of the user's reverts:

1. 21:35, 8 May 2024 (UTC) "Undid revision 1222938168 by Apaugasma (talk)"
2. 21:25, 8 May 2024 (UTC) "Undid revision 1222933437 by ClueBot NG (talk)"
3. Consecutive edits made from 12:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC) to 20:54, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
   1. 12:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC) "Undid revision 1222849023 by Cordless Larry (talk)"
   2. 20:54, 8 May 2024 (UTC) ""
4. 05:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC) "/* Clan structure */ Restoring vandalised content"
5. 16:00, 7 May 2024 (UTC) "/* Clan structure */"

Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:

1. 19:43, 7 May 2024 (UTC) "Warning: Edit warring on Demographics of Somalia."

Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:

1. 12:35, 8 May 2024 (UTC) "/* Genealogical tree */ new section"

Comments:

Also edit warring at Somali people. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:44, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Also on Samaale. Knows how to edit talk page [37] but does not respond to messages like [38]. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 21:49, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

• Indefinitely blocked.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:18, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

User:Raúl Quintana Tarufetti reported by User:Onorem (Result: Blocked one week)

Page: Argentina–Brazil football rivalry (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

User being reported: Raúl Quintana Tarufetti (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to:

Diffs of the user's reverts:

1. 21:59, 8 May 2024 (UTC) "Not a siingle porpose account. And if I were, that´s not a reason to remove well referenced information from the articles. I started the discussion, I gave 7 neutral and serious sources (2 from FIFA), and the other user reverts and reverts."
2. 05:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC) "The one who removes referenced content from the article is YOU. And FIFA´s official sources you are removing..."
3. 04:47, 8 May 2024 (UTC) "Undid revision 1222797415 by Svartner (talk) 7 serious sources (2 from FIFA, one of them with the list of matches) are enough. Please, see this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Argentina%E2%80%93Brazil_football_rivalry#Count_of_matches"
4. 23:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC) "Undid revision 1222795920 by Svartner (talk) Officiasl FIFA sources are enough. Go to the discussion."
5. 22:30, 7 May 2024 (UTC) "Taking out all the vandalism"

Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:

1. 08:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC) "Warning: Three-revert rule."
2. 21:48, 8 May 2024 (UTC) "/* May 2024 */ You are both edit warring. Look at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. I have no interest in this topic."

Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:

Comments:

• Blocked – for a period of one week. Bbb23 (talk) 22:35, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

User:Affinepplan reported by User:Closed Limelike Curves (Result: )

Page: Later-no-harm criterion (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

User being reported: Affinepplan (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to:

Diffs of the user's reverts:

1. 02:48, 9 May 2024 (UTC) "Undid revision 1222974899 by Aydoh8 (talk)"
2. Consecutive edits made from 01:48, 9 May 2024 (UTC) to 01:51, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
   1. 01:48, 9 May 2024 (UTC) "removed irrelevant and unrigorous political commentary"
   2. 01:51, 9 May 2024 (UTC) "removed irrelevant and unrigorous speculation about election strategy"

Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:

1. 02:06, 9 May 2024 (UTC) "Warning: You are a suspected sockpuppet."

Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:

1. 02:18, 9 May 2024 (UTC) "/* This article needs serious revision */"

Comments:

Likely use of anonymous IP edits in attempt to evade 3RR. –Sincerely, A Lime 05:44, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Pinging @Aydoh8 who warned @Affinepplan. Sorry you got dragged into this :(

I believe users @64.112.229.118, @47.230.61.20, @Affinepplan are the same person.

Short timeline:

1. @64.112.229.118 attempts to delete portions of article. Reverted by @Ankermast.
2. @64.112.229.118 responds by adding a disparaging Template:Multiple issues message insulting authors of the page. Reverted by me @Closed Limelike Curves.
3. @Affinepplan (believed to be same user as above) reverts to restore the template. (1st revert.)
4. ~1 week passes, with intervening edits from unrelated users.
5. I notice the restored template and revert.
6. @47.230.61.20 (believed to be same user) reverts to restore the template. (Second revert, first in 24 hour period.)
7. I notice the unusual activity and request page protection, as well as warning @Affinepplan. I do not restore.
8. @Aydoh8 takes notice and restores the previous version of the page. @Affinepplan restores (Third revert.)
9. @Aydoh8 reverts again and informs @Affinepplan their actions may constitute edit warring. @Affinepplan nevertheless reverts a fourth time, ignoring warning.

–Sincerely, A Lime 06:11, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@Closed Limelike Curves I was going to bring this to AN3 anyway if they kept going. Looks like they've stopped. I also recommend you file a sockpuppet report at WP:SPI as well. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 11:18, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

User:서아7 reported by User:Btspurplegalaxy (Result: Blocked 72 hours)

Page: Weverse (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

User being reported: 서아7 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to:

Diffs of the user's reverts:

1. 06:47, 9 May 2024 (UTC) "Wikipedia pages with editing battles are unreliable articles. It was a correct point that it was mostly remanded, and the history remains.Controlling speech just because it's a new account damages Wikipedia's credibility.You should stop remanding and creating stupid articles. Wikipedia loses its value if it posts incorrect information."
2. 04:30, 9 May 2024 (UTC) "현재는 돈을 weverse에게 지불하면 사무소 소속자 이외에도 누구나 개설할 수 있다"
3. 14:43, 8 May 2024 (UTC) "나는 사실을 지적하고 있다

kpop에 익숙해져라 나도 BTS는 좋아해"

1. 14:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC) "낡은 정보를 싣지 마라

원래 한국의 기사는 틀린것이 있기 때문에 소스에는 불충분 원래 영어 원어민은 거의 한국 콘텐츠 안봐"

1. 13:36, 8 May 2024 (UTC) "-"
2. Consecutive edits made from 08:01, 8 May 2024 (UTC) to 08:10, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
   1. 08:01, 8 May 2024 (UTC) "o"
   2. 08:03, 8 May 2024 (UTC) "o"
   3. 08:08, 8 May 2024 (UTC) "The organizer pays weverse"
   4. 08:10, 8 May 2024 (UTC) "It is currently being used by people other than hybe members, so it has been removed."

Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:

Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:

Comments:

• Blocked – for a period of 72 hours Aoidh (talk) 13:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

User:Reywas92 reported by User:PaulGamerBoy360 (Result: )

Page: Buchanan Corner, Indiana (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

User being reported: Reywas92 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to:

Diffs of the user's reverts:

Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning:

Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:

Comments:

This User Has Been Edit waring With Me, I Have Tried to Keep it Civil, & I Am No Longer Editing The Page Due To It, I Need Administrator Intervention to Stop This User From Undoing Constructive Edits, A Source is Still A Source Wether it Is One Sentence or Multiple Pages. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 15:14, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@Reywas92 - Why are you reverting when WP:3RRNO does not apply? Poor sources are not vandalism.
@PaulGamerBoy360 - You are in the wrong here. Reywas92 is correct regarding your sources and edits. A sources it not "still a source" if that source is not reliable. Why are you edit warring with Reywas92? EvergreenFir (talk) 15:22, 9 May 2024 (UTC)