Talk:Cardiff Central railway station

Platforms

Does it really only have 7 platforms? I thought it was more like 10. Deb 17:32, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)

What about platform zero? Warofdreams 12:34, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Tis mentioned in the article. You may have noticed the article also mentions the current lack of a platform 5. Chris 15:03, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

There are 9 platforms now.

No. There are 4 physical platforms (0, 1/2, 3/4, 6/7), 7 platform faces (0, 1, 2, 3a/3b, 4a/4b, 6, 7), 7 signalled platforms (0, 1, 2, 3a/3b, 4a/4b, 6, 7) but 9 designated platforms (0, 1, 2, 3a, 3b, 4a, 4b, 6, 7). Normally we could this by the number of signalled platforms or platform faces. Anywikiuser (talk) 16:25, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

• Current name is ambiguous. If you were neither local, nor a UK railfan, nor talking about the UK rail system, nor travelling on Cardiff buses, would you know what the article was about by name only? Is it a bar? Is it the centre of the city?
• Current name is inconsistent with other rail stations and rail/bus interchange points.

Chris 01:44, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

* Not really... Grand Central has always been Grand Central. Personal experience, I never mistaken such a name for a region. Now, if it was Central Cardiff (Station), then I would've suggested a name change. As it is, I am somewhat opposed to the change of name. Penwhale 05:23, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• • But this isn't a station well-known throughout the world as Grand Central. In fact, for many years (as the article says) it was previously called Cardiff General. Chris 15:03, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • I've always known it as Grand Central station, tbh. violet/riga (t) 18:56, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Support the change for clarity - we could do with a general policy for station names. As the links from the major UK stations template shows, there is no standard at present. Warofdreams 12:34, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Maybe a Rename to Cardiff Central (Station)? Penwhale 13:26, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • Most of those on the template show either "station" or "railway station" on the end, and not "(Station)". Adding yet another version only adds to the confusion. I believe the standard for now seems to be that stations which are only served by one mode of transport are named in line with that mode, e.g. "railway station", "tube station", "DLR station", etc., and those which are served by multiple modes (e.g. a rail and bus station) are simply "station". Chris 14:58, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
      • What is the offcial name on the railroad system maps for this station? Penwhale
        • British system maps never add 'station' to station names. Most stations just bear the names of the towns they're in and the 'Station' is assumed and only added when disambiguation is necessary. Support move to Cardiff Central Station (with capitalised Station, since it's part of a proper name) for clarity. -- Necrothesp 17:57, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Cardiff Central railway station is the most consistent form. Creating other varients is going to cause more confusion. Timrollpickering 18:37, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Looking at Category:British railway stations there isn't much consistency, though the most common are "station" and "railway station". I'd support either, though wonder about the proper name argument (Birmingham New Street Station, for example). violet/riga (t) 18:56, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

As said earlier, I'm sure there was some kind of project a while ago, which mentioned that "station" would be used for interchanges, and "railway station" for stations with only a rail link. Cardiff Central station as well as the railways has a bus station, rather like Euston and Victoria in London, so to label it as being only a railway station would be factually incorrect. Chris 19:12, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Agreed with that. Support. violet/riga (t) 19:34, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Ok, then, changing to Support. Penwhale 19:40, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• Support. Trilobite (Talk) 10:29, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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The article has now been moved from Cardiff Central to Cardiff Central station. violet/riga (t) 22:37, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

changes in which platfom masteg train leaves

The Maesteg trains now leave from platfom 3 or 4 since the new timetable (11 dec 2005). Also the Bridgend (Via Barry) trains leaves from platform 7.

I've now deleted the list of which services leave from which platform as it serves little function but as a guide to finding your train (Wikipedia is not a travel guide) and, as the above shows, it isn't constant. At smaller stations where the layout is more fixed, general statements like e.g. Filton Abbey Wood railway station and Liskeard railway station it can be said that, e.g. "platform 2 is for eastbound services", or "platform 1 is for services to south Wales", or "platform 3 is for trains to Looe" are appropriate. Here it can be said that Valley Line services run from platforms 6 and 7 with intercity trains to and from London generally calling at platforms 2 and 4 respectively (if these are correct), but more detailed than this isn't. Thryduulf 02:35, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

Cardiff Central railway station → Cardiff Central interchange — A little unusual but i thought because it both includes the bus station and railway station Simply south 13:39, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Survey

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Survey - in support of the move

Survey - in opposition to the move

1. Strong Oppose - The name of the station is Cardiff Central. Any change would move the name of the article away from the exisiting naming conventions for a railway station. I have also considered Bradford Interchange. This is the name of this particular rail/bus interchange. The transport facility in Cardiff is not called Cardiff Central Interchange. --Stewart 22:54, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
   • Note the difference between Interchange and interchange. One is a part of its respective station name, the other is not. Chris cheese whine 12:39, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

1. Oppose Fine as a redirect but not what the railway station is actually called. Johnbod 19:02, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

• The last "naming convention" on the subject I saw suggested that multi-modal locations were simply "station". Chris cheese whine 12:39, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. --Stemonitis 16:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

a/b division

Someone keeps insisting that the "a" and "b" ends of platforms 3 and 4 are separate platforms. They are not - they are subdivisions of the same platform (just as at Birmingham New Street station). The point about holding 2 separate trains is irrelevant - the platforms have supported such permissive working for years (I have personally seen four trains on platform 4 at once before now). 81.104.175.145 16:14, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Quail Railway Track Diagrams shows clearly on diagram 3.22 (4ed. ISBN 0954986612) that there are seven platforms. Contacts at Network Rail believe there to be seven platforms, with two of them divided for the purpose of management at the station. Signalling contacts tell me there are seven platforms, with all seven as well as the two through tracks set up for permissive working (i.e. more than one train in section). Staff at the station believe there to be seven platforms. Finally, and most damningly, when I was there yesterday afternoon, I counted them, and definitely only found seven. From here onwards, I will be treating any attempt to put "9" back in as sneaky vandalism for the purpose of WP:3RR. 81.104.175.145 16:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

The station has 7 platforms. Since many of the local trains calling at Cardiff central are only very small trains, more than one train can share the same platform, hence there is signage says 3a and 3b. However, 3a and 3b are merely sections of the platform and not separate platforms. User:82.0.120.146 (aka User:Welshleprechaun) is a known vandal and has constantly been pushing his POV agenda on a number of Welsh articles. I suspect he has a political agenda. 195.27.12.230 12:50, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Why don't they count as seperate platforms? At Bristol Temple Meads platforms 8/9, 10/11 etc. are on the same island and on the same side but different platforms. Welshleprechaun 23:04, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Basically, you've got it the wrong way around. You suggested the two are separate because there may be two trains there. Long story short, it is actually one single platform because one train may lie across the whole thing. There is no boundary between the two, and no distinction from a signalling perspective. Trains are signalled onto "platform 3" and the driver stops on sight. At Birmingham, there are boundaries (marked by the signals mounted under the roof), but it is possible for a train to lie across the two platforms, and it is possible for trains to move across the boundary. At Bristol, the numbering is primarily for hysterical historical reasons, but the main point is that there are no short movements across the boundary - a train may only cross the platform marker on authority from the signals on approach to BTM. A train stopped in platform 9 may not advance into 10 and vice versa^{[simplification]}. 81.104.175.145 01:14, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

To end the a/b thing, see page 190 for the definitive answer. End of story. 90.203.45.244 (talk) 20:31, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

22 railway stations

There are 22 railway stations in cardiff, with Whitchurch (Glamorgan) railway station consistently being left out of articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.3.16.210 (talk) 15:29, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Cardiff or Bridgend

Can we please stop removing the "terminus of Bridgend" for the "south wales main line" FGW services as only 50% of the trains actually continue to Bridgend, the remainder terminate here. Thanks. Shazz0r (talk) 16:57, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

No, because if you check the Live Departure Board, all trains on the South Wales Main Line go from London Paddington to Swansea without stopping at Cardiff. Local services to Cheltenham, Taunton, Weymouth or Portsmouth terminate here. Anywikiuser (talk) 18:25, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I live directly next to the station, and use these services daily. I think i know what i'm talking about. If you check the details of it correctly you'll find 50% of the trains from London paddington operated by FGW using the south wales main line terminate at cardiff, and the other 50% continue towards swansea after stopping at cardiff. Shazz0r (talk) 20:45, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I checked it again. Half of them do terminate but only at peak time. I have changed the destinations box to show that. Anywikiuser (talk) 16:10, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't matter. Our line succession boxes show extent of service, not the precise service pattern. Some trains continue on to Bridgend, so the correct entry is "Bridgend", not "Bridgend or terminus". 90.203.45.168 (talk) 17:07, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Well if that's the policy then you better start editing the hundreds of other railway station pages with the same error.Welshleprechaun (talk) 19:51, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

It does matter, otherwise wikipedia could be accused of giving "false infortmation". Undid your unwanted edits for the 2nd time. Shazz0r (talk) 11:46, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism

92.21.87.211 and Cardiff123098 have both effed up this article. Need help restoring it. WL (talk) 01:45, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Dubious Extra Services

In the section on the normal pattern of which platforms are used for which services there are several mentions of new and ajusted services to start in 2012. These include the present Arriva Trains Wales services from Carmarthen and Milford Haven to Manchester gaining a portion for Liverpool and XC running new services. No source for this information is provided and the current lack of slack in the Arriva Trains Wales class 175 fleet (ie. no spare units for extra services) makes these changes very unlikely. Rhydgaled (talk) 21:38, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Indeed; my own view is that the type of stock in use should only be mentioned if its unusual compared to the other services provided by the same operator. WP:V also means that if it is mentioned in Wikipedia, it should already have been mentioned elsewhere in reliable sources. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:48, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

The article is still/is again showing trains to Weymouth for the 2012 olympics. Is this actually going to happen? Rhydgaled (talk) 00:13, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Removed. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:30, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Network Map - possible inaccuracy

Can someone check the network map please. Unless I'm reading it incorrectly, it seems to imply that 'Heath Low Level' includes an interchange onto the Valleys lines marked 'To Pontypridd' which it doesn't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Craigthomas1 (talk • contribs) 14:13, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Railways in Central Cardiff
To Rhymney To Coryton Heath Low Level/High Level (Interchange) To Pontypridd Llandaf Danescourt

See right. Captions sometimes do span two rows, but not where it would mean omitting a different caption. Each of the route continuation arrows has a caption showing where the route goes to. The caption "To Pontypridd" is associated with the extreme left of the same row - the routes that pass through Llandaf and Danescourt. The line running through Heath Low Level is shown on the line above as running " To Coryton". --Redrose64 (talk) 14:28, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

It was me who created that template, and Redrose is spot on :) Welshleprechaun 21:25, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

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Platforms section

Do we really need all that detail on which services call at which platforms? It strikes me as more extremely detailed travel guide than encyclopaedia article. If nobody objects in a few days I'll give the section a drastic cull. Thryduulf (talk) 00:36, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

I hadn't realised it had got so excessive. Cut away! --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:54, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

I agree, please trim most of this section. Verbcatcher (talk) 07:23, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

 Done. I've left a list of a few major destinations, but fairly arbitrarily selected so feel free to tweak that - just don't go overboard. Thryduulf (talk) 12:04, 10 November 2018 (UTC)