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Readers should note that Teucrian and Phrygian are not synonymous, so there was confusion among the two different legendary accounts. The Teucrian version is probably more reliable. 007 08:06, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The reason the article's name is Paionia rather than Paeonia is because more recent (and more precise) practice is to transliterate it as Paionia, not Paeonia (see for example Errington's History of Macedonia, 1986). 007 9 July 2005 13:25 (UTC)

What happened to the Paionians? Who are their descendents today? Hungarians? Serbs? Romanians? The article should probably mention that. Edrigu 17:16, 29 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The Paionian language died out completely. Genes from the Paionians passed onto Greeks, Romanized peoples, and probably early Albanians. It is 99.99% certain that the Slavs came too late to get any Paionian genes directly, or any ancient Macedonian genes directly either. Though indirectly, the ancient Macedonian and Paionian genes have passed on even to Slavs, of course. ---007 05:46, 2 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I do not think we can entirely rule out the possibility that the Paionian language simply continued to be spoken and that its modern descendant is Albanian. (We simply cannot identify with certainty the precise ancestor of Albanian.) If this should not be the case, of course, the Paionians probably simply changed their language and thus became assimilated to one of the other peoples, be it Albanians, Greeks, Vlachs, and later southeastern Slavs or whoever. Florian Blaschke 14:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Paionia is not "more precise"; it does less closely resemble Latin and English. See WP:GREEK. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:58, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The mix[edit]

Who mentions them as Thracoillyrians? They were Thracians and sometimes seperate as Paeonians.What is the reference for the illyrians?Megistias (talk) 15:46, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

paionians in Brittanicaok found it.Megistias (talk) 07:55, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Anything more substantial than a probably in Brittanica?Megistias (talk) 07:57, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The werent considered Illyrians then. Megistias (talk) 07:59, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Research in biological anthropology on necropols of Paeonians has shown only Dinaric anthropological type with brahicranial features.Paeonians can be related to Illyrians from older paleo-balcan branch,but not to Tracians which has different anthropological features and migration paterns closely related to Ancient Greeks. Not only with antropological point but same can be proven with recent genetic research.Paleo-genetic research on Tracian remains from south Romania have shown haplogroup E3b.Dinaric anthropological type has been allready atested to haplogroup I1b .Ancient Greeks has J2 and last research has been on close corelation of J2 and E3b which migration in neolitic from Middle East throught Anatolia has been joint venture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.101.74.157 (talk) 10:50, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh. Lay people shouldn't think they understand genetics. Ancient peoples were just as mixed as modern nations. E3b is not 'thracian', J2 is not "greek", etc. Hxseek (talk) 07:42, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anthropological Profile of the Antiquity Population of Stobi-Fanica Veljanovska, Ph.D. anthropologist —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.101.74.157 (talk) 13:32, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Stipcevic mentions the Paeonians as an Illyrian tribe. The same arguement exists for Dardani Hxseek (talk) 07:42, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please, explain what means: Hellenized origin. Hellenization is a process of cultural assimilation but not a kind of origin. Jingby (talk) 07:55, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Transliteration[edit]

Despite having been adviced about WP:NCGREEK, Ninjoust continues to alter Greek translitrations. They do not give explanation (despite having been repeatedly asked to use edit summaries). I am no expert, but I can see that the change is not correct according to NCGREEK, so I have reverted. --T*U (talk) 06:24, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No need to keep accentuating on this. I have already stopped per your request. —Ninjoust (talk) 00:33, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Fine. --T*U (talk) 07:25, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. —Ninjoust (talk)

Symnon / Symon and Nicharchos[edit]

I am translating parts of this article to da:wiki. However I can not verify the sources referenced for "Symnon / Symon" and "Nicharchos". Also Symnon and Symon should have been spelled the same.

[1] are making reference to Appian III. IV.6 But again I cannot verify this.

I would appreciate if someone more experienced with the sources could verify. Thanks IvarT (talk) 07:47, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Problem[edit]

We have a big problem with links, impossible chronologies and the misappropriation of exploits concerning the Paeonian kings.

From Wright (2012): Agis (died 359/8); Lykkeios (reigned 359/8-C.335); Patraos (reigned c.335-3 1 5); Audoleon (reigned C.315-284); Ariston (reigned c.284/3); Leon (c.278-250); Dropion (c.250-227).

The main problem seems to be the confusion of "General Ariston" (Ariston of Paeonia), fl c. 330BC, the Paeonian cavalry commander of Alexander the Great and the Ariston who was king of Paeonia in the 280s. The two people are not the same person, but linking and text suggests that they are. The king named Ariston is described as a "royal youth" during Lysimachus' reign.

Compounding this are claims that Audoleon was the possible son of "General Ariston", which have scholarly citations, in the article Ariston of Paeonia and the claim in the article Audoleon that this king was the father of "General Ariston" (Ariston of Paeonia). As if a man living as late as 284BC could have been the father of someone in his prime in the 330s!!!!

Yes, it is an unholy mess! Urselius (talk) 10:27, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have been attempting to correct this problem, but may have missed some ramifications. Urselius (talk) 10:56, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Bylazora[edit]

This and other Wiki pages say the location of Bylazora is modern Veles. The actual site of ancient Bylazora was discovered near the city of Sveti Nikole by Ivan Mikulcic in the 1970s. It was excavated between 2008 and 2013 by the Texas Foundation for Archaeological and Historical Research, which has reported extensively about their work and their discoveries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.162.178.124 (talk) 09:19, 7 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]