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Please remove the crest and the motto - they were phased out after 1994 and are no longer applicable. The only official symbol for Durban is the Dome symbol. Angela Spencer eThekwini Webmaster

SA's biggest cities[edit]

If Cape Town is listed as having 2.9m people, and Durban at 2.7m, how does that make Durbs the second-biggest? :) Dewet 14:22, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

It appears that both Soweto and Johannesburg each have a smaller official population than Durban due to how municipal borders are drawn. See de:Liste der Städte in Südafrika for more information. – Wikipeditor 01:02, 11 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
At the top of that page it says "Die größten Agglomerationen in Südafrika sind Johannesburg mit einer Einwohnerzahl von 6.820.713, Kapstadt mit einer Bevölkerung von 4.302.014 und Durban mit einer Einwohnerzahl von 4.053.689." Presumably that would make Cape Town actually slightly larger?
Furthermore, the World Gazetteer at [1] states the Cape Town metropolitan area's population at 4 503 063, while Durban's at 3 244 028. (Or see [2], where cities rather than metropolitan areas are listed, and Cape Town still comes out larger.)
Largest South African Metropolitan Areas has different statistics, but Cape Town still comes out ahead. Based on this evidence, I'm going to be bold and remove the claim for Durban. - htonl 15:37, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I'll accept that perhaps at some time Durban did overtake Cape Town. However, it seems clear that Cape Town is now larger, and I've edited to indicate that, rather than removing the claim entirely. - htonl 15:42, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]



Pse explain why it is then stated:


'Cape Town is the second most populous city in South Africa ..... [...] population 2,893,251


Durban (Zulu: eThekwini) is the third most populous city in South Africa [....] the city has a population of almost 3.5 million'

The Cape Town figure you're referring to is the 2001 Census result. The result from the 2007 community survey shows that Cape Town, now with 3,497,097 inhabitants, has passed Durban nowadays. You'll find the results from the community survey here (pdf-file). --Pjred (talk) 07:39, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved the part about Durban being the third most populous city to the start (it used to follow "DBN is largest city in KZN"). If I am not mistaken, Durban has historically been the third largest city in SA. Granted, and now the lead section goes like that; but "third largest" means metro size and not solely Durban, so isn't it sort of misleading to speak of Durban as the third largest? Or is that the custom when talking about chief cities and so on in geography articles? Thanks! GeoffreyA (talk) 08:56, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Demographics[edit]

The statement that Durban "has the most Indians of any city outside India" was not accurate. For example, the 2011 UK census data shows that London has 432k ethnic Indian residents. If this is broadened to include the pre-independence borders for India then the total is 655k See https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20160107125615/http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/census/2011-census/key-statistics-and-quick-statistics-for-local-authorities-in-the-united-kingdom---part-1/rft-ks201uk.xls and https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20160107125615/http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/publications/re-reference-tables.html?edition=tcm%3A77-327143

Indians[edit]

This is vague: The large number of Indians were brought to work on the plantations and as a result it has the largest Indian population outside of India. Do you mean the largest Indian population outside of India, for a city? But in any case isn't the whole project of linking South African 'Indians' with India is a little problematic: after many generations, the link is a bit tenuous - when do they become South Africans? Consider how odd the sentence would sound if it were changed to the following: Durban has the largest English population outside of England. Psylocybha 01:43, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Merged text from Freeways of Durban[edit]

I merged the data from Freeways of Durban as the final result from Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Freeways_of_Durban. --Deathphoenix 05:20, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)


I have removed the reference to DURBAN DEEP in relation to the port. DURBAN DEEP is a gold mine in Gauteng, it had nothing to do with Durban. The reference to the Elton John song DURBAN DEEP has nothing to do with Container Ports.. rather it refers to Gold Mines. there are no gold mines in durban.. jimmyjazz 26 Oct 2005.. 20h00 GMT

Zulu name[edit]

eThekwini is the locative of iTheku. itheku means lagoon or harbour, iTheku means Durban, ethekwini means in/at/to/from the lagoon, and eThekwini means in/at/to/from Durban. Joziboy 14 March 2006, 21:15 (UTC)

I'll change it. The aspiration was also left out, but this still needs to be checked. On second thought, I'll just remove the IPA altogether. Zulu orthography is reasonably phonemic. kwami (talk) 02:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Public Schools?[edit]

Isn't that a peculiarly British expression? Maybe Joburg is different, but to us the two forms of school were private and government. Joziboy 5 May 2006, 19:31 (UTC)

The South African Schools Act of 1996 recognised only two categories of schools: public and independent. Public schools are state controlled and independent schools are privately governed. All private schools were included in the independent school category. Raker 05:22, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why are the schools listed in this entry? Should this not be in another category? I don't really see the reason for it being on this Wikipedia page. I suggest that just the tertiary institutes be included with maybe a small write up as these are the ones that are of significance in Durban (147.110.251.38 (talk) 12:55, 29 January 2013 (UTC))[reply]

Latin motto[edit]

The Latin in that motto looks pretty odd. Sure it's right? http://www.translation-guide.com/free_online_translators.php?from=Latin&to=English

Says :- "To weaken Beginning Better Fortune The following" - compare "Better Fortune Follows A Difficult Beginning".

Looks fine to me.. Wizzy…☎ 13:07, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This page is absolutely ridiculously written. Somebody has put everything in the picture box and it looks horrible.

Balanced? -Informal sector-[edit]

"A shack dwellers' movement Abahlali baseMjondolo that draws most of its membership from this sector has begun to vigorously contest the city's treatment of the poor and, in particular, its refusal to provide services to shack settlements and the ongoing illegal evictions in which people are either left homeless or, as under apartheid, forcibly removed to the urban periphery of the city"

I don't know anything about this topic, and that is excactly why I visited the page. However, the quoted text seems a tad bit biased. Anyone competent who can improve the text?

83.108.130.179 (talk) 23:50, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Shack Dwellers[edit]

I have reverted the changes again as there was many problems with it.

  1. The page was badly formated, the way you are quoting references is wrong, your edit was actually breaking the article, (at the bottom by the references). If you break the page then we must revert the changes rather than fix it as I have tried to do.
  2. The mercury cannot be used as you are asking people to subscribe. You cannot ask readers to register to check your references.
  3. The reference, Centre on Housing And evictions (p29), does not use the words routinely, illegally or unconstitutionally.
  4. The link to ODS, is broken, we cannot see page 14 and 15.
  5. The link you gave for the Freedom of Expression Institute, is a letter to Mike Sutcliffe, it does not mention words like unlawfully and unconstitutionally.
  6. The link to COHRE - South Africa, does not mention church leader, bishops or any statements made.
  7. The link to FXI, (Court victory for shack dwellers), and The DailyNews, (Court declares Abahlali march legal), only mention legal actions against the marches, nothing about demolishing shacks. It does not say anything about the constitutionality of the evictions.
  8. The website http://www.abahlali.org/ cannot be used as it is not a reliable source. But more importantly Abahlali is a Shack dweller action group and we cannot expect their website/opinion to be fair as they were involved of the court cases/evictions/marches.

This whole section is not very neutral at all. FFMG (talk) 11:46, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Again I had to revert the changes, for the same reasons.
  1. Some of the links are broken
  2. The mercury requires a, (paid), subscription to view the references.
  3. Some of the links given either do not mention Durban or simply have nothing to do with the text been referenced.
  4. Abahlali.org is not an acceptable reference, some of the quotes given are mentioned nowhere else on the internet.
  5. The reference section is broken with bad links and references.
Please, lets discuss these, (and other points), before we make any more changes. FFMG (talk) 09:19, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Demographics and unemployment[edit]

Original text: "27.9 percent of city residents are unemployed. 88.6 percent of the unemployed are black, 18.3 percent are Coloureds, 8.2 percent are Asians or Indians, and 4.4 percent are White.[6]" The data is inconsistent, because the percentage of unemployed black, Coloured, Asian/Indian and white population sums almost 120%. The source is not precise to verify the origin of the inconsitency. Please provide a precise source or explain the reasons of the (apparent?) inconsitency. Just as a guess: It might be a typo: if the black uneployed population is 68.8 percent, the sum of all groups would be 99.7%. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.23.247.13 (talk) 11:03, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Blue Lagoon / Coconut Grove[edit]

sir / madam

with all due respect i ask , why are the guys that are doing an honest living day to day by washing cars around the areas mentioned. These guys are getting arrested by police and there equipment getting conviscated. This is now turning these guys into criminals whereby they will turn to robbery,hijacking etc etc. Hope i could be heard here by making a statement and just looking after the better interest of DBN. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.121.76.40 (talk) 15:30, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

History[edit]

The entry where Fynn assists in healing some battle wounds Shaka received is slightly incorrect. The wounds were received during a long celebratory dance, an assagay penetrated his left arm and stuck his chest deep enough for him to cough up blood. Fynn washed the cuts with chamomile tea and dressed the wounds while a witchdoctor purged Shaka. A number of others received stab wounds during the same dance and it's generally believed it was some sought of assassination attempt.

[1]

Fynn also wasn't granted any land. Farewell drafted an agreement whereby Shaka granted him (Farewll) outright title to Port Natal, some 3500 square miles, on the 7th August 1824. Further the actual agreement itself though now lost, was said to be legally questionable.

[2]

Eigersa (talk) 11:01, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ The Washing of the Spears; Donald R. Morris, 1966
  2. ^ The Washing of the Spears; Donald R. Morris, 1966

Population[edit]

How can the population of Durban be 3.5 million when the eThwekwini municip. was only 3 million in 2001? Municipality and City is not the same. If Pinetown and Durban are the same thing then Durban has 3.5 million people. If Somerset-West is the same as Cape Town, then will Cape Town have 3.7 Million inhabitants. Bezuidenhout (talk) 19:40, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I refer you to my answer to your similar question at Talk:Cape Town#Population. In the case of Durban, the table of Main Places is as follows:
Name Population Name Population
Durban 536644 Macala-Gwala 9359
Umlazi 388687 Mawotana 8913
Chatsworth 192166 Hambanathi 8568
Kwa-Mashu 175913 Thoyana 7886
Phoenix 169163 Roseneath 7303
Inanda 153098 Qadi 7170
Ntuzuma 114579 Mpolo 6914
Pinetown 100037 Dassenhoek Part 1 6823
Mpumalanga 99720 Luganda 6121
Sobonakhona 64162 Hillcrest 5341
Clermont 57536 Hazelmere 5128
Verulam 54645 Magabeni 4933
Kwadabeka 52617 Umgababa 4059
Iqadi 44532 Mt Edgecombe 3874
KwaMakhutha 43781 Emalangeni 3606
Tongaat 41055 Emona 3188
Mawothi 40465 Mangangeni/Vumazonke 3111
Westville 37517 Umkomaas 3027
Newlands West 37425 Assegay 2930
Kloof 35623 Ezembeni 2918
Ximba 34557 Genazano 2866
Lamontville 32991 Redcliffe 2800
KwaNdengezi 31528 Naidooville 2417
Queensburgh 29519 Elangeni 2249
Folweni 28759 La Mercy 2104
Qiniselani Manyuswa 25878 Bothas Hill 1992
Kingsburgh 23812 Drummond 1943
Unnamed rural areas 23209 Umdloti 1939
Luthuli/Umnini Trust 23008 Maphunulo 1769
Dassenhoek Part 2 22462 Mwawine 1460
Newlands East 22444 Ngqungqulu 1455
Inchanga 21987 Amalanga 1340
Ngcolosi 20166 Westbrook 1266
Malagazi 15681 Cato Ridge 1059
Umhlanga 15387 Cibane 1050
Cele/Vumengazi 15099 Amawoti 1038
Amanzimtoti 13437 Desainager 994
Molweni 12975 Oceans 823
Siyanda 12924 Tongaat Beach 735
Tshelimnyama 12731 Adams Mission 631
New Germany 12592 Gcumisa 593
Ilanga 12236 Umbumbulu 304
Klaarwater 12169 Mount Moreland 273
Amaotana 10643 Clansthal 272
Maphephetha 9814 Khabazela 250
Embo/Nksa Isimahla 9771 Ntshongweni 201
Total (eThekwini Metro) 3090139
—htonl (talk) 22:01, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

Is there a reason for two separate Reference sections? One is smack in the middle of the page; I've never seen that done and thought they were always at the end of an article no matter what.Bobbyandbeans (talk) 21:45, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No, there's no reason for that, and I've removed the one in the middle of the page. I wonder who put it there? - htonl (talk) 00:37, 5 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe someone started building on the article under the original references and it just got lost in the shuffle. Who knows what goes on with some pages ... thanks for the fix.Bobbyandbeans (talk) 13:33, 5 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Climate[edit]

The maximum temperatures quoted in the table under the Climate section, are not the same as the ones referenced at http://old.weathersa.co.za/Climat/Climstats/DurbanStats.jsp

The temperatures on this source's website are actually several degrees lower. Mikejburden (talk) 14:34, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Indians/Asians / Europeans[edit]

Given that there is a section about the Europeans, who are 14-15% of the city's population and there is a section about the European settlement, wouldn't it be reasonable if there was also a section about Indians/Asians that represent around 25% of the city's population? Viet-hoian1 (talk) 06:52, 15 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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tempretures[edit]

what is durbans coldest tempreture ever recorded im busy with a project but cant find anything to help me — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.0.238.87 (talk) 06:31, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

See under "Geography" and "Climate".

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Evictions and political controversy section[edit]

Is this article being used as a WP:Soapbox? It seems to be a long-running gateway for Abahlali baseMjondolo stories, which are given WP:Undue weight. Park3r (talk) 14:10, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This article is written by a number of users. Could you give some specifics about text you find POV or incorrect? Ashmoo (talk) 13:38, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Very large demographic changes 2001-2011 census[edit]

The population of the city of Durban and central suburbs such as Durban North, Durban South and the Berea increased 10.9% between 2001 and 2011 from 536,644 to 595,061.[24][25] The :proportion of Black Africans increased while the proportion of people in all the other racial groups decreased. Black Africans increased from 34.9% to 51.1%. Indian or Asians :decreased from 27.3% to 24.0%. Whites decreased from 25.5% to 15.3%. Coloureds decreased from 10.26% to 8.59%. A new racial group, Other, was included in the 2011 census at 0.9

The census figures are being reported uncritically in this article, but these swings seem quite large, particularly for Black Africans and Whites. Was the census area changed, were there methodological issues, or did such huge demographic shifts really happen? Park3r (talk) 00:04, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Old references[edit]

[1] GeoffreyA (talk) 08:56, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[2]

References

  1. ^ Statistics South Africa, Community Survey, 2007, Basic Results Municipalities (pdf file) Archived 25 August 2013 at the Wayback Machine. Retrieved 2008-03-23.
  2. ^ "Ethekwini". Statistics South Africa. Retrieved 2018-02-17.

Lead section: eZibubulungwini[edit]

A quick Google search shows that most results are quoting the phrase straight from Durban's Wikipedia article; that is, the information is not coming from outside, seemingly. I am not a Zulu speaker, but is this word used, commonly and historically, to describe the city? GeoffreyA (talk) 14:31, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I found that this is derived from the Zulu word for the Bluff. GeoffreyA (talk) 16:04, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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