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About changing the crew members[edit]
@122.187.144.98: I have reverted your edit again; please do not edit the article before participating in this discussion. Leaving a link in your edit summary is not sufficient for verifiability. Please include a citation in the article when making changes in the future. For this particular edit, I recommend that you establish consensus with other editors here before implementing it. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 16:45, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
- Rad my talk page discussion i wlnt like to paste stuff here again 122.187.144.98 (talk) 16:49, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
- @122.187.144.98: I have read that discussion; the point is the same. Wikipedia requires citations in the article, not in edit summaries. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 16:53, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
- @TechnoSquirrel69 but where to add when that thing is getting removed 122.187.144.98 (talk) 16:54, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
- @122.187.144.98: I think the entry in the infobox where the crew is mentioned is a natural place for something like this. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 17:00, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
- @TechnoSquirrel69 added as per your request. Adding refs to infobox is a bit hard so forbade in earlier edits 122.187.144.98 (talk) 17:09, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
- @122.187.144.98: That's much better, thanks for making that change. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 17:09, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
- @TechnoSquirrel69 added as per your request. Adding refs to infobox is a bit hard so forbade in earlier edits 122.187.144.98 (talk) 17:09, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
- @122.187.144.98: I think the entry in the infobox where the crew is mentioned is a natural place for something like this. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 17:00, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
- @TechnoSquirrel69 but where to add when that thing is getting removed 122.187.144.98 (talk) 16:54, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
- @122.187.144.98: I have read that discussion; the point is the same. Wikipedia requires citations in the article, not in edit summaries. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 16:53, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
Orbital Speed -- verifiable data source[edit]
As of 28 September 2023 the "Orbital Speed" data in the summary area of this article says "7.66 km/s [failed verification]." The warning has existed since May of 2021. I propose altering the reference for the ISS Orbital Speed, but I lack the confidence to jump in and make the change including the reference -- I've tried doing this before with destructive (well, "not pretty") results.
The NASA "ISS Trajectory Data" page here: https://spotthestation.nasa.gov/trajectory_data.cfm has stable and self-updating pointers to ISS orbital ephemera. The ephemera are multiline files listing the position (x,y,z in km) and velocity (x,y,z in km/s) of the ISS at various times (in UTC). The ephemera may be downloaded at any time and the data there used to derive a velocity from the ephemera. The last line of the current (18 September 2023, 8.17PM EDT in the USA) ephemera file lists the ISS velocity as (x=6.80373806186271 km/s y=1.09358525028292 km/s z=-3.35652091564667 km/s).
The net velocity is sqrt(x^2 + y^2 + z^2); substituting the numbers from the last line of the ephemera file we get 7.66505 km/s as an orbital speed, which agrees well with the speed in the summary.
I propose leaving the orbital speed alone, and changing the reference for orbital speed to be the NASA "ISS Trajectory Data" page, mentioned above. Mcvoorhis (talk) 00:26, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
Good article[edit]
I am posting because my edit was reverted by Thebogthefrenzythesencuy. My understanding is that this is a good article based on this review in 2008. Has it been delisted in the mean time? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:15, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
- The article got promoted to FA status in 2010, and got demoted in 2011. I don't see a GA nomination page for it, so that's why I reverted your edit. Hope this helps. Thebogthefrenzythesencuy (talk) 18:30, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
- So if it gets demoted from FA, then it then becomes GA again, no? Would you please restore the correct rating on the article? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:26, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
- The article is clearly of GA quality as of now, there is no logical reason it would be a C-class article and not a GA-class article. WalkingWiki686 (talk) 01:33, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
Improving Lede Section[edit]
This discussion relates to recent good faith edits to improve the lede section of the article, hoping to encourage further revisions that help the article return to good article status. (sdsds - talk) 21:43, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
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The "largest ever" assertion is correct. It warrants the newly added link to Assembly of the International Space Station. The sentence ordering could likely be improved to bring these into closer proximity. (sdsds - talk) 22:08, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Space agencies both assembled and operate ISS[edit]
The listed space agencies (and their contractors) did assemble ISS, and continue to operate it. The lede would be improved by somehow concisely indicating that. (sdsds - talk) 22:14, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
USOS and ROS[edit]
The change to describing these as being "operational" rather than "functional" distinctions is correct (they have quite similar functions) and details of how the segments are operated (i.e. mention of Mission Control Centers in Houston and Moscow) would improve the article. (sdsds - talk) 22:17, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
ISS National Lab[edit]
The ISS National Lab is not part of NASA, and yet it is responsible for much of the research activity in the USOS. The article could be improved by incorporating that into the lede section. (sdsds - talk) 22:21, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Blind reverting[edit]
Apologies to Seasider53 for the blind reverting, unintentionally occurring during overlapped edits. Thanks for your article improvements! (sdsds - talk) 22:51, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Orbital Mass - Verifiable data[edit]
There are a few estimates of the ISS mass. NASA's current page (https://www.nasa.gov/reference/international-space-station/) says its over 400,000kg and ESA at completion says it will be about 450,000kg these are only estimates. Still the best data we have is (https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/np-2015-05-022-jsc-iss-guide-2015-update-111015-508c.pdf) which states 419,725 kilograms. Other than the new ROSA panels at a mass of 325 kg each, does anyone have a better estimate of its mass. The ESA page (https://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration/Human_and_Robotic_Exploration/International_Space_Station/ISS_International_Space_Station) appears to be a very rough estimate and is inconsistent with NASA's numbers. (User:Zygerth 17 March 2024.) — Preceding undated comment added 14:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
I'm trying to keep the heaviest objects page using reliable data. Does anyone have a better estimate of the ISS on orbit mass? (with or without docked vehicles as long as its clarified) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zygerth (talk • contribs) 15:04, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Deorbit Vehicle[edit]
With deorbit of the station on the horizon, a new article should be created about the deorbit vehicle NASA plans to develop, its still in the funding phase but enough information does exist currently 73.210.30.217 (talk) 03:53, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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