Talk:The Tube

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Hmm... for 1, I would probably include the W&C in 'the tube', and I've never actually heard anyone call it 'the drain' (but I'm not a Londoner)... for 2, some people might claim this was less than NPOV :) Shaydon—Preceding undated comment added at 17:32, 31 May 2003 (UTC)[reply]

I agree it should be merged, but the question would be "should 'The Tube's contents be added to 'The Tube (Disambiguation)' or should 'The Tube (Disambiguation)'s contents be added to 'The Tube'" If 'The Tube (Disambiguation)' is added to 'The Tube' then 'Disambiguation' can be removed, whereas if 'The Tube' is added to 'The Tube (Disambiguation)', then the question becomes "Which 'Tube' is the most important to take the place of 'The Tube'? DISCUSS (86.29.20.214 17:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Requested move 13 June 2024[edit]

It has been proposed in this section that The Tube be renamed and moved to The Tube (disambiguation).

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The Tube → The Tube (disambiguation) – Move dabpage, and make The Tube a primary redirect to London Underground. 162 etc. (talk) 00:13, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The list currently has a MOS:DABCOMMON list on top pointing to the London Underground meaning, and to Television. Clickstreams, on the other hand, say the following:

Some recent outgoing clickstreams from The Tube

From meta:Research:Wikipedia clickstream archive:

clickstream-enwiki-2020-11.tsv:

The_Tube London_Underground link 162
The_Tube The_Tube_(TV_series) link 46
The_Tube Cathode-ray_tube link 16
total: 224 to 3 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2022-05.tsv:

The_Tube London_Underground link 215
The_Tube The_Tube_(TV_series) link 27
The_Tube Cathode-ray_tube link 14
total: 256 to 3 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2023-07.tsv:

The_Tube London_Underground link 154
The_Tube The_Tube_(TV_series) link 17
total: 171 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2023-08.tsv:

The_Tube London_Underground link 136
The_Tube The_Tube_(TV_series) link 17
The_Tube Television link 11
total: 164 to 3 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2023-09.tsv:

The_Tube London_Underground link 139
The_Tube The_Tube_(TV_series) link 33
total: 172 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2023-10.tsv:

The_Tube London_Underground link 124
The_Tube The_Tube_(TV_series) link 25
total: 149 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2023-11.tsv:

The_Tube London_Underground link 133
The_Tube The_Tube_(TV_series) link 48
The_Tube Television link 10
total: 191 to 3 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2023-12.tsv:

The_Tube London_Underground link 108
The_Tube The_Tube_(TV_series) link 24
total: 132 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-01.tsv:

The_Tube London_Underground link 133
The_Tube The_Tube_(TV_series) link 54
total: 187 to 2 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-02.tsv:

The_Tube London_Underground link 106
The_Tube The_Tube_(TV_series) link 15
The_Tube The_Tube_(2012_TV_series) link 14
total: 135 to 3 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-03.tsv:

The_Tube London_Underground link 115
The_Tube The_Tube_(TV_series) link 27
The_Tube The_Tube_(2003_TV_series) link 10
total: 152 to 3 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-04.tsv:

The_Tube London_Underground other 90
The_Tube The_Tube_(TV_series) other 21
The_Tube The_Tubes other 14
The_Tube The_Tube_(2003_TV_series) other 11
The_Tube The_Tube_(2012_TV_series) other 10
total: 146 to 5 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-05.tsv:

The_Tube London_Underground link 42
The_Tube The_Tube_(TV_series) link 16
total: 58 to 2 identified destinations

Looks like practically nobody ever clicks the Television link, and the rest of the distinction is between London Underground and various entertainment items, mostly the music show from the '80s and a couple of documentaries about London Underground. There probably wouldn't be a huge loss if we short-circuited towards the topic of most long-term significance here, at the same time, this has been disambiguated since the initial revision in 2001[1], with very little acrimony. It looks like people recognize it as an ambiguous phrase. The derived term YouTube existing probably affects this as well. I'm not sure. --Joy (talk) 08:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The main problem with the above analysis is that all the incoming wikitraffic from other articles to this page comes from London Underground[2]. So what appears to happen is that people come from the London Underground to here and then back again. Celia Homeford (talk) 09:42, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per detailed research by Joy and per Celia Homeford. English Wikipedia has not redirected "The Tube" to "London Underground" for nearly 23 years. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 16:35, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose London Underground has 39,189 views but the 1982 TV series has 1,713 views, the 2003 one has 143 and the 2012 one has 93[[3]] so given few people are likely to use "The Tube" I don't think its likely primary by usage though it might be by long-term significance as the 2003 and 2012 TV series are based on the London Underground but the 1982 one doesn't appear to be. Yes I'd think of the London Underground first when I hear this name but that may not be the case outside England. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:43, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. What? I don't understand the above opposes whatsoever. The Tube clearly and unambiguously refers to the London Underground as its primary meaning, by both of the WP:PTOPIC criteria, common usage and long-term significance. Indeed, I am WP:ASTONISHed that a search for that term would yield any other outcome. The Wikinav stats confirm this, with 60-70% of clicks going to that page. This move needs to go ahead ASAP. — Amakuru (talk) 12:01, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]