Talk:Elihu Yale

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Note that Alexandra Robbins' book is called Secrets of the Tomb, not Secrets of the Tombs.... It's singular because it is one building. Still, if you insist on tombs, it's not worth an edit war. -- Someone else 06:40 Apr 11, 2003 (UTC)

I see there's been a brief edit war over whether or not the Bones building is called the tomb or the tombs. I can't speak for what it used to be called, but at least when I was at Yale, not too long ago, it was quite certainly the tomb. Like Someone Else, I don't want to start an edit war either, but I will go ahead and change it now. Remes 01:53, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Wives

Mention should be made of his wives and companions, and his children. Catherine Hynmer and their 4 children, Hieronima(sp?) de Paiva and their son David, and perhaps others who were rumoured... and also of his children. +sj + 08:59, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Any decent text bio will suffice to improve on this; but see also a few online bits.

spelling

Second sentence:

"he benefitted from the slave trade"

read:

benefited

Update

Following the DRN, I have made updates to the article. The principal aims are:

• To ensure that the lead reflects the content of the body, per MoS;
• To reflect the most up-to-date scholarship;
• To give a chronological narrative - the previous version was very back-and-forth in relation to Yale's years in India;
• To properly reflect his involvement in the slave trade.

I think there is more to do;

• The cites are frequently a mess;
• The Ancestry section appears to me to be Undue; largely irrelevant, Yale is not mentioned once; and poorly sourced to a bunch of 19th century genealogical histories, of questionable reliability. This point has been made previously on the Talkpage. I think it would sit better, if anywhere, in a Yale Family page.

Very happy to discuss any issues here. KJP1 (talk) 17:02, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Academia45 - If you continue to remove relevant. sourced and cited material based on your misunderstanding of Neutral and Independent sourcing, it will be necessary to take the matter further. KJP1 (talk) 04:26, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @KJP1. May I ask why you reverted all my past edits today ? and why you a threatening me to take the matter further ? Some of the material you added recently was biased and I corrected the informations. If you disagree, let's debate then as we should. After the lack of communication during the past Dispute Resolution Board, I've simply disengaged as stated in the WP:DR when two users cannot agree. It is not because you added content recently that this is now the "final" truth about the topic, and that other editors cannot modify or change what you have written. Academia45 (talk) 05:11, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Academia45 - Certainly. You are removing relevant, sourced, and cited information and you have no basis in policy to do this. If you revert again, you will be edit-warring at three reverts and that is a conduct, not a content, matter. KJP1 (talk) 06:06, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Academia45 - For a long time you have sought to sanitise this article, by over-emphasising Yale's aristocratic relations and his supposed pedigree while seriously underemphasising his involvement on the slave trade. To do this you are removing relevant, sourced and cited material. You have no policy basis to do so, as you misunderstand both NPOV and Independent Sources. I shall again re-instate this material, and remain very willing to discuss it. But if you again just remove it, I shall take the matter to the ANI Edit-warring board. KJP1 (talk) 08:03, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Making an effort to understand your perspective, can you set out your rationale for not including the image, Elihu Yale with Members of his Family and an Enslaved Child and discussion of it, yet including a detailed section on his ancestry, sourced to very out-dated works, which doesn't mention him once? It seems to me that the portrait, and 21st century discussion of it, are both very relevant to Yale the man, as well as to his heritage as a contributor to Yale University. KJP1 (talk)

The painting looks quite reasonable where it is atm, IMO. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:15, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

• I agree Academia45 needs to stop editing warring.(I wasn't watching but will put it back on my list). Desertarun (talk) 08:38, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Elihu Yale's page update

In the past few weeks, I read the two biographies of Elihu Yale and took the time to write new sections for the page that were lacking. I used as an example Robert Clive (Clive of India), President of the Bengal Presidency, one of the other 3 presidencies at the time, equivalent to Yale who was President of Madras, with an even longer career in India (29 years) under the East India Company.

My contributions will be the following :

• Adding to his early career in the East India Company section, along with a Madras Council subsection
• Completing the Presidency of Madras subsection, adding the references lacking, and adding the main points of his career there, being the Anglo-Siamese War, the Siege of Golconda and the Anglo-Dutch relations
• Adding the Yale v. East India Co. section, being the accusations of corruption made by the company against Yale, with the subjection about the case reaching directly the King of England in London
• Adding to the Return to Britain section, and completing it with references and London life subsection
• Adding the Yale Collection section, which is about 50% of Elihu Yale's 2014 biography by Diana Scarisbrick. This is an important section as he created the first art auction in Britain, being a historical event in the art world. Yale University also acquired many of his works for their art gallery over the years. An example of a collection with a page is the Duke of Buccleuch collection, with 500 paintings (Yale had 7,000, as many as the Royal Collection), with the same Dutch artists roughly.
• Simplifying the ancestry section, adding a few more up to date references, and making it easier to understand for people who are not familiar with Welsh history. I also shaped the text to show how it relates to Elihu Yale and the coat of arms of Yale College and other schools at Yale, so that our readers or Yale students can better understand the meaning of their coat of arms, where it comes from, etc. It also explains where the Yale name comes from, along with historical events tied to it.
• Will research the slavery section, along with Yale's judicial governance, and will provide references
• Will then look at the hundreds of sources/references we have on the page to see if it can be improved

An inline citation will be added at the end of each of my sentences to make sure we have a high quality page.Academia45 (talk) 15:30, 26 May 2024 (UTC)