Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1976 World Surrealist Exhibition

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The result of the debate was keep. —Korath (Talk) 06:13, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)

1976 World Surrealist Exhibition[edit]

Delete Non-Notable Article was created by user Daniel C.Boyer in 2003 to promote Surrealist Movement in the United States. A Google Search yields over 19,000 hits for World Surrealist Exhibiton, note that those are keywords. The first page of hits on Google are for the Wikipedia Article and various encyclopedias. This, "1976 World Surrealist Exhibition" was only a local art event held in Chicago back in 1976 (that did exhibit over 500 artworks from relatively unknown, "surrealists") yet is not notable ebough to warrant any attention from the International Art Scene and Art Historians. This event was referenced in the book edited by Franklin Rosemont, "What is Surrealism", who was also organizer of self-promoted event. Note that the editor, Franklin Rosemont (a noted labor historian and self-described surrealist) claims to be the one chosen by Andre Breton to lead surrealism after his death. No credible evidence can prove that this man even met Breton. His event, "1976 World Surrealist Exhibition" was never acknowledged by art historians and surrealism experts like Mary Ann Caws. A very misleading article that should not be referenced as credible by students and researchers studying surrealism. Not Notable.
- Note: Above nomination is by User:Classicjupiter2, if anyone couldn't guess. -- Infrogmation 17:20, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Keep. With 499 google hits for the exact title, I'd otherwise be neutral or weak keep, but as this listing argues for deletion almost entirely on the basis of taking sides in a surrealism clique war rather than sticking to Wikipedia notability standards, I oppose this call for deletion. Sheesh. -- Infrogmation 17:20, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Infrogmation, this listing argues for deletion according to Wikipedia notability standards. Please do not make allegations.Classicjupiter2 17:56, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Comment: There is so much wrong with this it's difficult to know where to begin, but here's a shot:

Classicjupiter2 assumes bad faith on my part by saying that I created the article to promote the Surrealist Movement in the United States but fails to give any support for this bald assertion.
Classicjupiter2 states that this was a "local art event," but unless he is using "local" in a highly idiosyncratic way (every event takes place in some locale) it is certainly strange to describe something in which people from 31 countries participated as "local".
Franklin Rosemont never claimed that he was selected by Andre Breton to lead surrealism. I would challenge Classicjupiter2 to give me any source on this. He won't be able to because it never happened.
The World Surrealist Exhibition was extensively (if somewhat negatively) covered in the mainstream press.
Mary Ann Caws being an "expert" on surrealism is certainly open to debate. ("Too many gaps [in history of surrealism she acknowleges, i.e. post-1966] to establish credibility." I might also say, "Classicjupiter2, can you produce a picture of Mary Ann Caws? How do we know she even exists? Who is this person? Did she ever meet Breton and why don't we have a picture of them together?" but I won't.) --Daniel C. Boyer 18:10, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Dear Daniel C.Boyer, regarding your request to produce a picture of Mary Ann Caws, along with her biography and publications, please go here, http://www.maryanncaws.com/bio.php

Now that page contains the proper references and notability that can help someone with their research and is also looking for an expert on surrealism to help guide them. Oh, Daniel, Andre Breton died in 1966, in case you did not know.Classicjupiter2 19:18, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Notice how you did not address even one of the points I made. --Daniel C. Boyer 19:29, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Keep. Grue 20:33, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Keep. It seems to be real, and notable to the surrealist movement. Low google hits can be accounted for by noting that it happened back in 1976. Classicjupiter2 sure does seem to dislike surrealism. DaveTheRed 21:19, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
DaveTheRed, I love surrealism. I do not like bad articles that don't belong on this encyclopedia misrepresenting surrealism.Classicjupiter2 21:31, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Delete, under the bar of notability. Megan1967 23:07, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Keep this article. Delete classicjupiter2. Denni☯ 01:58, 2005 Mar 19 (UTC)
- Denni, I cannot be deleted, for I exist as data.Classicjupiter2 03:19, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Keep. Fails to meet deletion criteria.--Centauri 04:23, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Keep despite Classicjupiter2's apparent vendetta - David Gerard 17:42, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Keep get a clue, classicjupiter2. Your argument for deletion actually highlights the reasons for keeping the article. It was referenced in a book, it has over 19,000 google hits. Way to go. joan53
Keep. Notable enough for me, and does not meet any criteria for deletion. I'm concerned that this VfD is a personal attack. Foobaz·o< 21:15, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Keep, And A Call To Arms. Would all competent wikipedians please go to ""? It, too, is a legitimate article in danger of deletion because of someone out to, "prove a point." Just like this article (which should stay), it has an abundance of references but is still being attacked. Not to be confused with the absolute foolishness of, "" which was at best a grossly exaggerated feature/prank loosely based on an actual family.
- Above vote by Nanaszczebrzeszyn, who has only three edits and is alleged to be a sockpuppet. Please don't go spam another VfD thread that has already been sockpuppeted to death.
Oh and btw keep this article, but if half of what CJ says about it is true then it requires cleanup and dePOVage. Radiant _* 13:11, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
Keep. Valid article subject, invalid VfD nomination from sockpuppet. Notability is subjective. ~leif ☺ _HELO 22:25, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)

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