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major world time[edit]

I removed 'major world time', as it assumes and implies some cities are more 'major' ('important') than others, thus not NPOV. Also, if you know where you are, you should also know your timezone with respect to UTC. – Kaihsu 21:00, 2005 Mar 7 (UTC)

Some cities are more important than others; but let's call it "Representative World Times".

Knowing UTC at your place is not the point; the table has value in letting you know what time it is or was in or near a city you are reading about events in or want to talk to an inhabitant of.

I propose to restore the times soon unless there's considerable opposition. Anyone else is welcome to; but please change Wellington to "12" (as we are back in NZST).

Robin Patterson 22:38, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I rather like that feature, too. Bring it back! P.S. That's "+12" in Wellington, not "-12", right? --John Owens (talk) 22:47, 2005 Mar 19 (UTC)

The world times are currently supposed to be DST adjusted, but they're not - London is UTC+1, Frankfurt UTC+2, Moscow UTC+4, NYC/Toronto UTC-4 etc. I don't know if Japan or India or Egypt use DST, and I've no idea what the southern hemisphere's done to its timezones at this time of the year. Anyone able to further adjust the times? -- Arwel 11:19, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hm..jus curious, but what considerations are made with regards to the city selections for world times?--Huaiwei 18:39, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Date format[edit]

I choose to have dates displayed as "YYYY-MM-DD," not "Month DD, YYYY." The section links, therefore, don't work for me. Is there any way to rectify this problem? —Mar ka ci 2005-04-24 T 06:13 Z

I'd prefer that the section link references in the table use yyyy-mm-dd format as the normative date format, I think most people use that format, worldwide. The least significant digit belongs on the right: if you had 23 cents, 199 dollars, which would you write, "$23.199" or "$199.23"? If there is no way to make the links work for both June 7, 2005 and 2005-06-07 then I think we should go with the latter. Pedant 08:20, 2005 July 20 (UTC)

It dosent work for me either, since our page is based on the dd-mmmm-yyyy format. --Huaiwei 18:46, 13 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Metropolitan areas in the same time zones[edit]

Is it necessary to list two metropolitan areas in the same time zone? I understand some may be in the same time zone for a few months in a year but not the other months, such as Johannesburg and Frankfurt, as a result of DST. But some metropolitan areas are always in the same time zone. — Insta ntnood 19:21, August 13, 2005 (UTC)

I would think other factors are just as important in deciding which city to list. Geographical spread is one, which would mean two cities in the same time zone can still be listed if they are on polar opposites. Secondly, global importance of cities, and I suppose something like the GAWC's "Alpha city thingy may help. And third, I feel cities/countries who have a current events page dedicated to them should be given slight preference in this listing.--Huaiwei 19:35, 13 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Metropolitan areas which are in polar opposite, as well as those at low latitudes, would normally be in different time zones in same parts of a year, as a result of DST adjustments. Therefore Johannesburg and Frankfurt is a much better set than Berlin and Rome. A more interesting example would be Melbourne, Guam and Vladivostok, which are all in the UTC+10 time zone, but are having different time at most of the time of a year. If I recall correctly Los Angeles (or San Francisco?) was removed in favour of Vancouver so as to keep at least one Canadian metropolitan area on the list. — Insta ntnood 19:59, August 13, 2005 (UTC)
Shall we press on and take off those which are always in the same time zones? — Insta ntnood 17:13, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
And which one do you intend to take off?--Huaiwei 17:54, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Basically all except one in each time zone. If you wanna know which, perhaps we should, in my opinion, seek community consensus. — Insta ntnood 18:29, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

How to check timezone information[edit]

The best resource that I know for timezone information is the tzcode and tzdata distributions from elsie.nci.nih.gov. As of November 2005, the current version is tzdata2005n, from ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/tzdata2005n.tar.gz. You can unpack it and just read it (carefully) to learn the timezone rules for almost anywhere.

If you have access to a relatively modern unix-like operating systems, such as Linux and the BSDs, then the operating system probably has the rules built in, and you can use the "date" command to find out the time or timezone almost anywhere. For example,

 $ TZ=America/New_York date

will print the current date and time in New York, while

 $ TZ=America/New_York date +%z

will print the numeric timezone offset that applies to the current time in New York (which happens to be "-0500" or "-0400" depending on whether or not DST is in effect).

The tzdata files usually list only one city per {country, timezone} pair. For example, Rio de Janeiro is not listed, and you have to use TZ=America/Sao_Paulo instead (but you can figure this out by reading the comments in the "southamerica" file from the tzdata distribution). —AlanBarrett 10:44, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Video Games?[edit]

Does 'Video Games' qualify as wide-enough topic to be on this template? I doubt that!! Awolf002 20:26, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The video game industry makes more money annually than the movie and (I believe) the music industries combined. Video games are controversal right now. So yes, I do think they qualify.--Kross ^Talk 20:14, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinated Universal[edit]

What is the red "Coordinated Universal" link supposed to refer to? I was trying to fix it today, but I had no idea what to fix it to... --HappyCamper 18:00, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Somebody deleted part of the 'macro' text. I reverted that change. Awolf002 18:04, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Danke :-) --HappyCamper 18:05, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{utc}}[edit]

The use of this meta-template in the box was (ultimately) causing Current events to take an age to load and some users to see broken pages when it did load. Having found the same problem in every article that {{utc}} (NOTE:lowercase version only) appears, I have removed it from here. It needs fixing before being reinserted. -Splash^talk 02:39, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Calendar[edit]

Why does the calandar look so strange on this page? The weekdays are all stuck together in the middle with the weekends completely separated far on the left and on the right side. 206.47.141.21 17:01, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The weekends are at the ends of the week? Some people prefer "Sunday" as a start day, and this is the standard in computing (0 == Sun, 6 == Sat). I prefer Monday as the start of the week, but my employer has weeks starting on a Saturday! 80.175.189.41 18:55, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Other current events redundant for Portal[edit]

With the move of Current events to Portal:Current events, a {{newsbrowsebar}} is added to the top of the page to make it more portal-like. This makes the "Other current events" section of this template mostly redundant. Can it be removed or will it be necessary to fork this template so that it could be customized for use with the portal? Thanks—Kayaker 21:23, 30 June 2006 (UTC).[reply]

This template is used by the "Other" event pages, so you just took away that navigation tool on those pages. Maybe a fork or an "off switch" would be better? Awolf002 01:28, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I can restore it. Another approach that someone else came up with is to use {{portal}} in the "other" event pages to link to Portal:Current events where the other current event articles are listed in the {{newsbrowsebar}}. That adds an extra click, of course but I thought I'd see what you thought about that before I restore the "Other current events" section as is. Kayaker 02:24, 1 July 2006 (UTC).[reply]

The "extra click" would not hurt too much, IMO. Let's give that idea a try. Thanks! Awolf002 11:19, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Kayaker 01:00, 2 July 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Months don't change when clicking << or >>[edit]

Right now, the month doesn't change when you click << or >>. For example, if I click << to go back to the Current Events in the past month, the calendar still shows this month (July). Can we make the month dynamic? Hong Qi Gong 21:26, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello? Anybody care about this problem? I suggest we change the template so that its usage becomes:

So for example, to use it for Hong Kong in July 2006, it would look like this:

Likewise, for Hong Kong in June 2006:

The <previous month> and <next month> arguments would go into the << and >> links, respectively, so that those links can be made dynamic for each month's Current Events page. What does everybody think? Hong Qi Gong 15:51, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It works just fine as is for me. Please check again. --After Midnight ⁰⁰⁰¹ 04:26, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

01 instead of 1?[edit]

I think we should stick with style of "1_September_2007" as reference for subsections, and not use "01_September_2007". I see no need for that added zero. Awolf002 15:02, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My problem with this system (with or without the extra zero) is that I have no idea how to use the subsection links without having page elements with "1_September_2007" as their id. Wikipedia pages identify themselves as XHTML 1.0, and id values beginning with a digit invalidate the markup. I don't know if any browser actually has a problem with this, but ideally we should have valid code, i.e. id values beginning with a letter. Maybe use American date format? -- Jao (talk) 23:48, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The August calendar is wrong, it should start on Friday not on Sunday for 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.121.139.184 (talk) 15:17, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

editrequest[edit]

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Please convert the documentation (ie. see also section) to standard template documentation (ie. /doc subpage)
Please add this to the Category:Temporal templates

-- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 10:48, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done --Redrose64 (talk) 15:16, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]