User talk:Quirkie

Thanks, references?

Hi -- thx for your posting to Talk:Friendly_artificial_intelligence. Since i'm just learning about these things, and since it's easy to find the "pro" side of SIAI/Yudkowsky, i was wondering if you'd mind sharing references for critical views. And any other thoughts would be great, but i don't want to put you out. Thx, "alyosha" (talk) 00:27, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Hm. Well a quick search turned up this article which has a couple of paragraphs hinting what the AI community thinks of Yudkowsky: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/1,43080-0.html I think it is difficult to find criticism because few AI researchers even consider him.

For a Baysian machine Yudkowsky's ideas make sense ... but his ideas, his entire paper, boils down to a very simple idea which is presented in a very verbose way.

Here us an example of how Yudkowsky's writings are pretty much correct but worthless. Take this: "3.5.3.2.1: Programmatic controlled ascent via an improvements counter" Just the "3.5.3.2.1" part shows you how convolutedly Yudkowsky presents his ideas. Five levels deep in hierarchy in the document?

What this section should say is "A machine running friendly AI should have a mechanism built in for halting or slowing down if changes are occuring too rapidly, in order that it's progress can safely be monitored". That is the whole idea. Instead he writes ten paragraphs. He talks about an "improvements counter" ... thinking about how he would implement the mechanism. But "improvements counter" is a very specific way of implementing a restriction in change and may not even make sense in the language of the machine: what if improvements are not modelled as a discrete phenomenon?

This is a symptomatic flaw of the document: confusing high level and low level ideas - what software engineers call "analysis", "design", "implementation". He talks about the AI "rewriting the source code". This is not how modern software works. Look up Object-Oriented Programming. Quirkie 15:54, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

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