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Arbitrators should vote for or against each point or vote to abstain.

  • Only items that receive a majority aye vote will be enacted.
  • Items that receive a majority nay vote will be formally rejected.
  • Items that do not receive a majority aye or nay vote will be open to possible amendment by any Arbitrator if he so chooses. After the amendment process is complete, the item will be voted on one last time.
  • Items that receive a majority abstentions will need to go through an amendment process and be re-voted on once.

Conditional votes for, against, or to abstain should be explained by the Arbitrator in parenthesis after his time-stamped signature. For example, an Arbitrator can state that he would only favor a particular remedy based on whether or not another remedy/remedies were enacted.

Proposed temporary orders

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1) {text of proposed orders}

Aye:
Nay:
Abstain:


Proposed principles

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proposed wording to be modified by Arbitrators and then voted on

1) Wikipedia is not a link repository See Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not

Aye:
  1. Fred Bauder 13:16, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)
  2. Jwrosenzweig 22:55, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  3. the Epopt 06:46, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  4. James F. (talk) 12:12, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  5. Martin 16:37, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  6. Grunt 🇪🇺 02:06, 2005 Jan 1 (UTC)
  7. Neutralitytalk 02:19, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)
Nay:
Abstain:

2) Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising and self-promotion. See Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not

Aye:
  1. Fred Bauder 13:16, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)
  2. Jwrosenzweig 22:55, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  3. the Epopt 06:46, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  4. James F. (talk) 12:12, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  5. Martin 16:37, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  6. Grunt 🇪🇺 02:06, 2005 Jan 1 (UTC)
  7. Neutralitytalk 02:19, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)
Nay:
Abstain:

3) No person or group has the right to control content of Wikipedia articles, See Wikipedia:Ownership of articles.

Aye:
  1. Fred Bauder 13:16, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)
  2. Jwrosenzweig 22:55, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  3. the Epopt 06:46, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  4. James F. (talk) 12:12, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  5. Martin 16:37, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  6. Grunt 🇪🇺 02:06, 2005 Jan 1 (UTC)
Nay:
Abstain:
  1. Abstain on principle due to ambiguous wording. A person or group does have the right to control Wikipedia articles: Jimbo, the Foundation, and the community at large. Neutralitytalk 02:19, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)

4) Wikipedia is not a platform for Propaganda or advocacy of any kind, See Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not

Aye:
  1. Jwrosenzweig 22:55, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC) (This was written here but unsupported -- by Fred, perhaps?)
  2. the Epopt 06:46, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  3. James F. (talk) 12:12, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  4. Martin 16:37, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  5. Fred Bauder 12:58, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)
  6. Grunt 🇪🇺 02:06, 2005 Jan 1 (UTC)
  7. Neutralitytalk 02:19, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)
Nay:
Abstain:

Proposed findings of fact

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1) User:Gene Poole is a Wikipedia user with an interest in micronations with a specific interest in the aspiring micronation of Empire of Atlantium, a political lobby group he is involved in.

Aye:
  1. Fred Bauder 14:40, Sep 25, 2004 (UTC)
  2. Martin 13:01, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  3. Jwrosenzweig 22:55, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  4. the Epopt 06:46, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  5. James F. (talk) 12:14, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  6. Grunt 🇪🇺 02:07, 2005 Jan 1 (UTC)
  7. Neutralitytalk 02:19, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)
Nay:
Abstain:

2) The article Empire of Atlantium was created by an anonymous editor 202.138.198.36 at 02:27, Dec 28, 2002, see original version of the article Empire of Atlantium

Aye:
  1. Fred Bauder 15:07, Sep 25, 2004 (UTC)
  2. Martin 13:01, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  3. Jwrosenzweig 22:55, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  4. the Epopt 06:46, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  5. James F. (talk) 12:14, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  6. Grunt 🇪🇺 02:07, 2005 Jan 1 (UTC)
  7. Neutralitytalk 02:19, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)
Nay:
Abstain:

3) The anonymous editor 202.138.198.36 made a number of edits to micronation and Empire of Atlantium until January 15, 2003 his last edit.

Aye:
  1. Fred Bauder 15:07, Sep 25, 2004 (UTC)
  2. Martin 13:01, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  3. Jwrosenzweig 22:55, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  4. the Epopt 06:46, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  5. James F. (talk) 12:14, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  6. Grunt 🇪🇺 02:07, 2005 Jan 1 (UTC)
  7. Neutralitytalk 02:19, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)
Nay:
Abstain:

4) User:Gene Poole began editing on January 15, 2003 with this initial post to his user page.

Aye:
  1. Fred Bauder 15:07, Sep 25, 2004 (UTC)
  2. Martin 13:01, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  3. Jwrosenzweig 22:55, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  4. the Epopt 06:46, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  5. James F. (talk) 12:14, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  6. Grunt 🇪🇺 02:07, 2005 Jan 1 (UTC)
  7. Neutralitytalk 02:19, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)
Nay:
Abstain:

5) Gene Poole is reasonably believed by other Wikipedia editors to be George Francis Cruickshank, also known as His Imperial Majesty George II, Imperator et Primus Inter Pares, Emperor of the Empire of Atlantium [1], a micronation.

Aye:
  1. Fred Bauder 13:28, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)
  2. Jwrosenzweig 22:55, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  3. the Epopt 06:46, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  4. James F. (talk) 12:14, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  5. Martin 16:38, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  6. Grunt 🇪🇺 02:07, 2005 Jan 1 (UTC)
  7. Neutralitytalk 02:19, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)
Nay:
Abstain:

6) Gene Poole has in his edits to the articles Micronation and Empire of Atlantium acted to some extent as an advocate of micronations in general and of his own micronation, Atlantium, in particular to the extent of engaging in edit wars over their content.

Aye:
  1. Fred Bauder 13:28, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)
  2. Jwrosenzweig 22:55, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC) (I would approve "to a large extent")
  3. the Epopt 06:46, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  4. James F. (talk) 12:14, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  5. Martin 16:38, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  6. Grunt 🇪🇺 02:07, 2005 Jan 1 (UTC)
  7. Neutralitytalk 02:19, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)
Nay:
Abstain:

7) Due to his extensive knowledge of the subject, edits of Gene Poole have added signifcantly to the content of Wikipedia concerning micronations.

Aye:
  1. Fred Bauder 13:28, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)
  2. Jwrosenzweig 22:55, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  3. the Epopt 06:46, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  4. James F. (talk) 12:14, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  5. Martin 16:38, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  6. Grunt 🇪🇺 02:07, 2005 Jan 1 (UTC)
  7. Neutralitytalk 02:19, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)
Nay:
Abstain:


8) Due to concerns about self-promotion and a lack of wikiequette on the subject of micronations, Wikipedia would now be better served if Gene Poole made future edits to other areas of Wikipedia.

Aye:
  1. Martin 16:45, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  2. Jwrosenzweig 18:16, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC) (I think this is very wise, Martin -- nice proposal.)
  3. Fred Bauder 19:53, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)
  4. James F. (talk) 00:00, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Nay:
  1. This statement makes no sense to me. [[User:The Epopt|➥the Epopt of the Cabal]] 21:02, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  2. Nonsensical and irrelevant. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 02:07, 2005 Jan 1 (UTC)
  3. Neutralitytalk 02:19, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)
  4. Fred Bauder 12:35, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)
Abstain:

Proposed remedies

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proposed wording to be modified by Arbitrators and then voted on

1) Gene Poole is banned from editing Micronation, Empire of Atlantium and any other article concerning or relating to micronations including talk pages.

Aye:
  1. Fred Bauder 13:44, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)
  2. Martin 16:40, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC) (see discussion)
Nay:
  1. Too broad. the Epopt 06:46, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  2. Indeed, too broad, I think. James F. (talk) 12:15, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  3. Right. -- Grunt 🇪🇺
  4. Neutralitytalk 02:19, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)
  5. Compared to 172's extensive and aggressive activities Gene Poole's actions were petty. Fred Bauder 12:31, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)
Abstain:
  1. Jwrosenzweig 15:00, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC) (Argh, this case drives me crazy -- well, upon reviewing the evidence yet again and even more carefully, I see problems at Micronation and Empire of Atlantium. But now I don't know if adding "any other article concerning or relating to micronations" is warranted. I'll have to think on it.
Surreal barnstar

2. In recognition of his contributions to Wikipedia in the area of micronations Gene Poole is awarded a Surreal barnstar.

Aye:
  1. Fred Bauder 13:44, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)
  2. Martin 16:40, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Nay:
  1. Jwrosenzweig 22:55, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC) (I don't think that there's any need to be rude, and this strikes me as rude.)
  2. the Epopt 06:46, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  3. James F. (talk) 12:15, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  4. This would be insulting, I think. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 02:08, 2005 Jan 1 (UTC)
  5. Neutralitytalk 02:19, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)
Abstain:

3. In recognition of his past contributions to Wikipedia in the area of micronations Gene Poole is awarded a barnstar and/or a special commendation.

Aye:
  1. Martin 16:40, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC) (this is not an insult)
  2. Fred Bauder 19:52, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)
  3. Barnstar, no. Special commendation (whatever that might be), yes. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 02:08, 2005 Jan 1 (UTC)
Nay:
  1. [[User:The Epopt|--the Epopt of the Cabal]] 14:31, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Abstain
  1. This is kind of a bizarre remedy. Neutralitytalk 02:19, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)

Enforcement

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proposed wording to be modified by Arbitrators and then voted on

1) Any edit Gene Poole makes, either himself or by proxy including anonymously, to the articles Micronation, Empire of Atlantium or any other article relating to micronations, including talk pages, may be removed by any user.

Aye:
  1. Fred Bauder 13:50, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)
  2. the Epopt 06:46, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  3. Martin 16:40, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  4. Neutralitytalk 02:19, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)
Nay:
  1. Fred Bauder 12:32, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)
Abstain:
  1. Jwrosenzweig 15:00, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC) (See above, for the time being)
  2. Not appropriate unless GP has been banned from edits to the articles, obviously. James F. (talk) 12:16, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  3. Not appropriate. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 02:09, 2005 Jan 1 (UTC)

2) Any administrator may impose a short ban (one day or in the case of repeat offenses up to one week) on Gene Poole should he attempt to edit the articles Micronation, Empire of Atlantium or any other article relating to micronations, including talk pages.

Aye:
  1. Fred Bauder 13:50, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)
  2. Martin 16:40, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Nay:
  1. Too broad. the Epopt 06:46, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  2. Not appropriate. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 02:09, 2005 Jan 1 (UTC)
  3. Neutralitytalk 02:19, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)
  4. Fred Bauder 12:32, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)
Abstain:
  1. Jwrosenzweig 15:00, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  2. Not appropriate unless GP has been banned from edits to the articles, obviously. James F. (talk) 12:16, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Discussion by Arbitrators

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General

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My feeling is that Gene Poole has made very considerable improvements to Wikipedia's knowledge of micronations. However, there has been an element of diminishing returns here, and the "ownership" factor has kicked in. Thus, I feel that we need to thank him for his past efforts, but promote fresh perspectives in the future. Martin 16:43, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Motion to close

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Four Aye votes needed to close case

  1. Gene Poole appears to have left Wikipedia, at least temporarily. I move that we close this case subject to reactivation should he return. -- Grunt 🇪🇺 02:11, 2005 Jan 1 (UTC)
  2. Neutralitytalk 02:19, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)
  3. No substantial remedy has majority support Fred Bauder 12:35, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)
  4. Nothing much here. Close it (not subject to reactiviation). →Raul654 16:09, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)


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