Talk:Armory Show

Duchamp

"Nude Descending a Staircase" was never named "Bride Stripped Bare by Her Bachelor's, even." In fact he painted the title, "Nu Descendant un Escalier", on the painting. (The World of Marcel Duchamp. Calvin Tompkins. Time-Life Books. 1966. p. 15.) --sparkit 18:33, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Marcel Duchamp: "Although it would have been very pleasant if she had been as rich as I first thought, I married her because she was indifferent to art. I now claim the marriage as an art work, a Happening, a Performance, very much ahead of its time. After all my masterpiece is called The Bride Stripped Bare by Bachelors, Even. My first marriage extended that theme." in conversation with John Perreault [1] Sparkit may want to reconsider restoring an improved version of the text he removed. The full story belongs at Marcel Duchamp surely. --Wetman 20:43, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The quote from "The World of Marcel Duchamp" is

"He entitled it "Nu Descendant un Escalier" (Nude Descending a Staircase) -- painting the title on the lower part of the canvas so that the words could function both visually and menatally as part of the composition."

He started developing ideas for "The Bride Stripped Bare by Bachelors, Even." during that time frame with "The Passage of the Virgin to The Bride", but the "The Bride Stipped Bare by Her Bachelors, Even" didn't emerge until "The Large Glass" (another name for "The Bride Stripped Bare by Bachelors, Even") several years later.

Indeed this belongs in the Duchamp article, which also has NO mention of "The Bride Stripped Bare by Bachelors, Even"

--sparkit 21:34, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I suspect the above referenced interview (http://www.plexus.org/review/perreault/dada.html) is a fictional interview. The interviewer says, "... I have been reading about that in Calvin Tomkins' biography of you." Tomkins biography of Duchamp was published in 1996, 28 years after Duchamp's death. -- || >>sparkit<< TALK || 01:19, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

According to http://www.artifact.ac.uk/displayoai.php?id=1844, it is indeed a mock interview. "Description: Reproduced on the Plexus web site, this is a transcript of a mock interview between the French painter, sculptor and theorist, Marcel Duchamp (1887-1968) and John Perreault, which was published in Review magazine in December 1996. Written 28 years after Duchamp's death to coincide with a related exhibition entitled 'Making mischief : Dada invades New York' at the Whitney Museum of American Art in New York, the article discusses some of his art works, his life and his contribution to the art world." -- || >>sparkit<< TALK || 02:25, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

Association of American painters and sculptors

The red ink does no good except to point out that there is no article...The italics identify the group. If you want to create an article about the group then do so and then wikify the link...Modernist (talk) 16:41, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

My apologies to Modernist. Also thank you Modernist for correcting the official name of the AAPS, I had quickly added it last evening because they weren't mentioned anywhere in the article on the Armory Show. But it has been my impression that the Red Ink means that something is important and it is open for other editors to contribute. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jnlaur (talk • contribs) 17:35, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

At one point

we say 1300 works and at another (I think) 1250. Anyway, I'll try and discover one number that we can use and perhaps you can do the same? Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 00:19, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

The catalog that I have - the 1963 50th anniversary show in Utica says 1300 but my guess is that it's a soft number, no-one knows for certain...Modernist (talk) 00:22, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Gutzon Borglum

Although G. Borglum was one of the early organizer of the show, he eventually (as was his habit) fell out with the others involved and withdrew completely from the project. This process is spelled out in a chapter called Borglum shyly raises his veil. His brother Solon did exhibit, though after he realized how radical the show was he asked that his pieces be removed. The organizers did not grant him his desire. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 20:14, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Paintings included section - almost checked

I just checked out a catalogue raisonne(reference to follow) to check out whether the artworks included here as in the show actually were included. Checked about 3/4ths of the pix, and whoever included these did a pretty good job. Do be careful about translated names and names changed over time or given to more than one work. Questionalbe inclusions are

• Whistler's Mother - catalogue includes 4 works but the closest in title is "Study in Rose and Brown"
• Rousseau - title should be "Centenial of the Revolution " - will make the change.
• Bellows - "Between Rounds" or "Lightweight Champion of the World" are listed but not "Members of the Club"
• Picasso - "Le guitarist" 1910 is not listed among his 8 entries.

I'll make the Rousseau change in title, be back with the ref, and remove the other 3 in about a week if they are not reasonably well documented. BTW - I got through Bellows (1909)

same ref as below pp.341-327. courtesy of Archives of American Art at editithon.

Will complete a bit more.

Completed checking through 1909 (took me awhile to figure it was chronological order!)

other questionable inclusions

• Cross - Cypresses at Cagras
• Devrain - Landscape in Provence.

Smallbones (talk) 19:58, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

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Is it our intention

to list all the artists who are blue links in the "List of artists" section and leave the red links at the List of artists in the Armory Show, an article which right now is cunningly divided into "Artist" and "More artists"? Should the Artists section there be the blue links and the More artists be the red ones? I say "Yes" to both the above thoughts, but you get a say too. If you hurry. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 21:58, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Sure...Modernist (talk) 11:28, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

New book

Regarding recent edits, by Sternjon: This is not the place to advertise or promote new books (in this case by E. Lunday). However, if you would like to quote something of interest from the book, or share some aspects of the Armory Show (from the book) not yet included in this article, please do so. At that point your contribution will be reviewed by other editors. Until then the link you keep placing in this article will be removed. Coldcreation (talk) 21:06, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Add mention of Monhegan Museum Armory Show centennial exhibition

The Monhegan Historical and Cultural Museum Association on Monhegan Island, Maine is featuring an exhibition of paintings by Monhegan artists who participated in the Armory Show of 1913 and were influenced by it. The show is entitled "A Spirit of Wonder: Monhegan Artists and the 1913 Armory Show" and is open from July 1 - September 30, 2013. See website for further details: www.monheganmuseum.org — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.39.114.34 (talk) 18:28, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Payne–Aldrich Tariff Act

The lead section states that Roche “used his influence to convince Congress to overturn the 1909 Payne–Aldrich Tariff Act, which allowed him to stage” the Armory Show. It should be explained how the act would have prevented him from putting on the exhibition. (The answer is not to be found in the article on the act either.)—Quick and Dirty User Account (talk) 17:10, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

• I'm removing the entire issue until we can get clarification...Modernist (talk) 23:32, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

first sentence

Hello! I don't really understand the 1st sentence.Shouldn't "as a predecessor" be added? Or only my English is weak? 87.97.32.5 (talk) 09:33, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

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Which ones, if any, attended?

The article does not mention if any of the artists whose works were exhibited ever attended this event. Since it seems that the show was rather important, one would think that some of the artists would've attended.

Is there a way to find out which artists attended the Armory Show? (i.e., the "society pages" of the newspapers that covered the event ? )

Just curious. 2600:8800:786:A300:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D (talk) 01:50, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

A lot of the importance of the show was because it was the first time abstract or abstracted art was seen in the United States. Since this work was mostly produced by Europeans most of them, I suspect, were in Europe. Carptrash (talk) 04:39, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Maintenance tags

The article has "Citation needed" tags in the "Legacy" section. The criteria for B-class assessment states, "It has reliable sources, and any important or controversial material which is likely to be challenged is cited.. Otr500 (talk) 03:24, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Disembodied blockquote

The blockquote at the end of the lede (‘The origins of the show lie in the emergence of progressive groups…’ by Avis Berman) is not represented in the main article, and there seems no suitable place to transfer it to. I don’t understand why it is there. Valetude (talk) 00:26, 28 December 2020 (UTC)