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Did the Neville Brothers really do jazz? heidimo 02:48, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)

No, not really--Sumori 17:49, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Revert damage, I take it back"[edit]

How can you revert it to something that just looks damaged to anyone stopping by? Since when are any external links handled with such ugly formatting? What justification is there for siting a song sample in the caption for a picture? What justification is there for the wacky cat-on-a-keyboard punctuation?

Please don't insultingly revert somebody honestly trying to fix something that is very strange for no obvious reason. --Dhartung | Talk 09:59, 9 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Dearest Dan

My sincere apologies for any insulting here, Not the intention at all, by all means. I understand what you were thinking. Life is to short to be upset at the wacky cat on the keyboard.

I have attempted to make the strange looking text you speak of better looking for anyone stopping by. Perhaps you now might approve?

As far as I know, there are no Wikipedia Audio rules for tacking on external links with music linked to a pic, or pics. My opinion is I think it may be fine for people from other non speaking english countries to have a taste of audio with relation to a pic. Heck, if you took a conventional two dimensional encyclopedia, we never had this opportunity in the past. We can sort of make things come alive today on a computer type of encyclopedia, like Wikipedia. I like animations too.

On another note, it sure was cool to talk and meet Aaron Neville, The guy is really strong for his age.

Please do accept my apology here. Thanks and regards, Scott 13:06:38, 2005-09-09 (UTC)

Fine, I understand you meant no harm, but honestly -- you don't even use normal Talk page formatting (I fixed that). It's very helpful on the Wikipedia to Wikipedia:Be bold, as they say, but it's also helpful to look around and see what else has been done. Normally media at Wikipedia is converted to .ogg format (see Wikipedia:Media) and uploaded. If media is at an external link, it would usually be placed in the External links section, with an appropriate note about what type of media is being linked to (e.g. "Real Audio file"), or in a separate section called Multimedia or Media (examples: Johannes Brahms#Media; Beastie Boys#Media). Following these conventions is especially important for readers from non-English speaking countries, a group you're concerned about. It helps them find things in a foreign language if they are handled the same way in more than one article.

The main concern about externally launched media is that Wikipedia does not control the content. What if it doesn't work one day? Will the user be confused about the proper working of Wikipedia? If it is properly marked as an external link, they will realize it is hosted separately.

Now, I think what you're indicating is that the audio that is launched externally (where? your personal site?) is connected to the photo, i.e. the same performance, thus there is a relationship. It is great to have that sort of multimedia relationship, but it should be handled in a way that makes it clear to the reader. What I will do, then, is edit the page such that the caption permits such launching, but using a more common style of caption, with the audio link separate. (Having the entire caption be a blue external link looks like bad HTML from 1997, honestly.) That will make it clearer yet how they are related. I will also add back in a Media section and finish up with the formatting so that it appears similar to others. I trust this will satisfy your desire to have this contributino available to the community, while keeping the style of the entire Wikipedia as consistent as possible.

That said, I'll second your personal note. I've only seen them on TV, but they've been through a lot with the hurricane. --Dhartung | Talk 22:10, 9 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Dan,

I looked at the Wikipedia media as you suggested, looks like I need a Master degree to comprehend the text to convert, Yikes. Never was good at the MP3 stuff. Always felt weird about copying, so stayed away.

It is interesting you mention about control of media by Wikipedia, I do understand the concept. You speak the truth. External links same problem. Again, point well taken if it is not there one day. No, the audio is not launched from my website. Neither is the picture, the picture belongs to Wikipedia now. I did take the picture though and now attempt to just donate them, does not bother me the least.

Do you really know how to edit the page such that the caption permits such launching, but using a more common style of caption, with the audio link separate, but still allow the picture to be there maybe kind of attached and capable to adjust the size of both to accommidate the size of both simultaneously? That would be great to do! I would not know how to do that. That was my attempted goal and it took a while to figure out. By process of elimination.

There are other places/ articles I have done on Wikipedia the same, presently to convert. About four total now. Before changing here's others I did in the likeness:

and an odd one at the bottom of my main user page "Listen to KFOG live streaming".....Although it links to a streaming URL.

Again, would it reveal using (widows media) as the standard of which I always use in conjunction with the picture?

On the same note, be advised I researched using correspondence with my Email to other friends and found (Windows media) over the years to be the most common and widely used for translating any media sent via Email. There seemed to be no problem while real media had problems. What I did was I sent pawns out to a number of different friends over the years all across the country to see if they could see it. The responce of about ten differnt people was a 100% translation so I take it most all computers use or have Windows media installed. Unless of course, your from another country? But I don't think so.

As for the text I can't disagree with you at all it does look like crap, but that was what I had to work with to get this far.

Take your time, let me know your ideas as I would like to go further with your help on this. Maybe we can help revolutionize Wikipedia and make a real contribution as I was attempting to do in good faith? Your wacky keyboard friend.......Scott 05:53:50, 2005-09-10 (UTC)

PS: Got back an hour ago and got some pictures of Shawn Mullins I saw tonight, even got my picture taken with him. Was going to down load the pics in the next week and had plans to do the same thing Pics and music on his Wikipedia page plus I got some info to add to his page We talked as I asked him things like where he was born, Etc. I'll hold up on that for now. Nite Nite

Charles Neville's death confirmed by Art Neville, 2018-04-26 - who will write his missing article?[edit]

Sad to say, Charles Neville's death was just confirmed:

His brother Aaron Neville confirmed his death to WWL-TV.

Spera, Keith (2018-04-26). "Neville Brothers saxophonist Charles Neville has died at age 79". The Advocate. Retrieved 2018-04-26. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help)

Charles is the only one of the Neville Brothers not hyperlinked in that article's Infobox and without a WP article of his own.

Charles Neville is ambiguous right now; I just disambiguated as Charles Neville (saxophonist)

Contact me if you need any paywalled sources. -- Paulscrawl (talk) 20:26, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Edit: I just saw Charles Neville (musician) is a redirect to The Neville Brothers - he still needs his own article like all his bros, so for the time being I am putting redlink as saxophonist in Infobox. Click and compose. -- Paulscrawl (talk) 20:44, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The musician dab is the proper usage. More articles link to it. If a saxophonist dab gets created, it will also redirect back here, until the musician one gets started. — Wylie pedia @ 23:10, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@CAWylie: Thanks, I wasn't aware of that distinction. Makes sense, and I prefer musician to saxophonist in any case, as he was versatile.

How to ask competent musician biographers to take notice of the one and only prominently missing WP biography article for a highly notable band whose other members all have good WP biography articles was my intent. Any ideas? Thanks again. -- Paulscrawl (talk) 23:48, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Paulscrawl: My suggestion would be to inquire at the WikiProjects above. Once his death reaches the trades, surely a viable article can be created. — Wylie pedia @ 00:29, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@CAWylie: Thanks for the advice and quick fixes on this article. We'll wait and see, as you suggest.

I've posted a plea on the Talk pages of WikiProject Musicians and WikiProject R&B and Soul Music.

Posting Category:The Neville Brothers members here as a convenient check on who actually has, not just a link, but an article. -- Paulscrawl (talk) 03:26, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Per advice at the Teahouse, I'm adding a link here for any competent music / biography editors to dive in (I also changed section title to match):

Peace -- Paulscrawl (talk) 04:13, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've done about 100 WP biographies, so, when I get time, I'll do Charles' over the next couple of days, most likely overwriting his musician redirect. But if someone wants to attempt the draft, feel free. — Wylie pedia @ 04:24, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Started. — Wylie pedia @ 09:03, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved

– I worked heavily on prematurely posted article and related Wikidata yesterday. Thanks for removing obsolete link above. As noted, discography still needs expert help. -- Paulscrawl (talk) 18:07, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Neville (musician) - wikilink syntax tip[edit]

FYI

– This tip for those who might wish to link to new Charles Neville (musician) article. It may not be obvious to newcomers, so I'll be super explicit. Sorry to bore others, not meant as anything but helpful.

There is more than one Charles Neville on wikipedia, so simply adding square brackets won't help readers. Hover over link or click to see what they see:
[[Charles Neville]] renders Charles Neville

Instead, use the parenthetical qualifier - (musician) - after his first and last name to specify which one you're talking about and link directly to his particular article. Add the pipe character (shift+\ on most keyboards) -- | -- just before your preferred rendering of his name.

[[Charles Neville (musician) |Charles Neville]] renders Charles Neville

[[Charles Neville (musician) |Charles]] renders Charles

Copy and paste one of the two wiki texts just above if you want. Thanks for linking! -- Paulscrawl (talk) 18:07, 29 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]