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Nepos of Malcolm III?[edit]

Over at the article Scottish Monarchs Family Tree, they show Macbeth as 'nepos' of Malcolm II, not Malcolm III. This contradicts what is written here regarding context in 'Chronicles of Huntingdon'. Shouldn't this be changed? Who has read the Chronicles of Huntingdon and why should we suppose Macbeth was killed by his own Uncle/Grandfather who would have been born twenty years after him? 04:15, 02 May 2005

King of Scots, NOT King of Scotland[edit]

All Scottish monarchs, i.e. prior to the personal Union of the Crowns with England in 1603, were styled "King/Queen of Scots" (that is, ruler of the PEOPLE) and not "King/Queen of Scotland" (the land). 2 B Promoted (talk) 11:37, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In the absence of coinage, it would not be unreasonable to assume that the vernacular style was rí Alban as is found in Irish sources. (See Style of the monarchs of Scotland.) To translate this as "king of Scotland" may potentially mislead readers - the region encompassed by the term Alba/Scotland has changed - but that's another matter. Nobody seems concerned that William the Conqueror or Edward the Elder are invariably called kings of England when their coinage read "king of the English". The same can be said of, among others, early French kings. It's really not an issue. Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:09, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I concur and would move that the article be moved to "Macbeth, King of Scots" JamesReyes (talk) 18:55, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, "King of Scots" would be a more accurate translation. Mediatech492 (talk) 21:30, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What is the evidence that Macbeth was styled "King of Scots" not "king of Scotland"? The later style may be "King of Scots", but no one has, as yet, advanced WP:RS to justify it for Macbeth. On the contrary the article Style of the monarchs of Scotland suggests rí Alban based on Irish sources. Absent any real WP:RS for King of Scots then King of Scotland is a reasonable solution in that (i) he was a king and (ii) his realm was Scotland i.e. it's simply descriptive rather than literally a style. king of Scots without clearly supporting WP:RS could be an anachronism. DeCausa (talk) 22:20, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

King of Scots probably makes most sense for the Bruce and Stuart monarchs, and before that it's basically all just a giant anachronism, isn't it? That being said, the article itself calls him "King of Scots," so it's a bit odd for the title to use "King of Scotland." john k (talk) 23:48, 11 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Page titles are descriptive rather than following the official styles. This is why the kings of the Hellenes are at "of Greece", the kings of the Belgians are at "of Belgium", the kings of Ireland are at "of England", "of Great Britain" and "of the United Kingdom", etc. DrKiernan (talk) 17:56, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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@.. Troxel100 (talk) 00:32, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lead image (or none)?[edit]

Option 1

Option 2

This article currently does not have an image in the infobox. Earlier versions of the article used a portrait by Jacob de Wet II (listed here as Option 1). The image was removed with the reasoning that it is not historically accurate.

An image can be valuable, even if there are no contemporary portraits available. Later depictions are used in other articles about Medieval figures, such as Æthelred the Unready and Thomas Aquinas. According to MOS:LEADIMAGE, a lead image should be the type of image used in other works. Several sources about King Macbeth include the portrait by John Hall (listed here as Option 2).

Both the de Wet portrait and the Hall portrait are both reasonable depictions of Macbeth. I believe that the article should include an image in the infobox. However, others are against the inclusion of an anachronistic portrait. It would be nice to reach a consensus on whether or not to include an image. —Vigilant Cosmic Penguin (talk | contribs) 🐧 02:23, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment[edit]

Macbeth, King of Scotland[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Result: Significant uncited material remains. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 06:36, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lots of unreferenced sections, including almost the entire "Life to legend" section. Z1720 (talk) 03:00, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Z1720 I will try to find citations for this article and Malcolm II. --KhndzorUtogh (talk) 20:47, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.