Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ships/Tables

table markup arcana

In the standard infobox,

{| border="1" align="right" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" width="300" style="margin-left:5px"
|align="center" colspan="2"|[[Image:IIH.png|300px|INSERT CAPTION HERE]]<br>Insert caption here
|-
 . . .
|-
!align="center" style="color: white; height: 30px; background: navy no-repeat scroll top left;"|General Characteristics
!align="center" style="color: white; height: 30px; background: navy no-repeat scroll top left;"|[[Image:IIH.png|44px|INSERT ENSIGN HERE]]
|-
 . . . 

the < align="center" > is unnecessary, because the initial < ! > makes them captions, which are automatically centered. But what---if anything---does the < no-repeat scroll top left; > do? I've tried taking it out, without apparent effect (in my browser).

Why is the ensign-placeholder sized at 44 pixels, when the header strip is only 30?

—wwoods 03

57, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Because ensigns are usually wider than they are high? Something to watch our for if a square jack is used.--J Clear 20:59, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Table width?

Is there any reason why the table width is 300? I have found that 360 is a better width. With 300, I have found some wrap in a few lines, and usually it is just a couple of letters which causes the word to wrap. With 360, most of the lines do not wrap.

I would like to change these table widths to 360. Anybody have any comments on this? 147.240.236.9 22:36, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[I responded to this earlier at User talk:Malo#Ship table re-sizing, but in case you didn't see it,]

I've also felt cramped by the 300-pixel width, particularly for the propulsion and armaments. But there's only so much width available, and between the general Wiki-link column on the left, and the infobox on the right, the column of text is already squeezed. Remember that boxes, templates, etc. are supposed to embellish the text, not replace it. For detailed descriptions of the types and arrangements of weapons, we can put them on the ship class pages, outside the box.

—wwoods 00:40, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Class Motto

Are there any ship classes with a Motto? Or was that just a cut and paste error when creating the ship class template?--J Clear 21:01, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Displacement

Which displacement are we listing in the table? For an APA, I've got "light displacement", "full displacement" and "deadweight" in the NVR. --J Clear 22:52, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Do you think it would be helpful to explain to explain to readers that displacement is normally either written in long tons (2240 lb) or metric tons ((2204.62 lb). Even in the US the standard is to use either long tons or metric tons - see NAVSEA Shipbuilding Support Office, definition of full displacement.--Toddy1 (talk) 04:58, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Class

what about an infobox for an entire class or type of ship? how about that? please help. Any ideas, please send em in to here, or to my talk page. Thanks v. much, Anonymous Dissident 00:28, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Infobox for a civilian ship converted to military use

What is the approrpiate use of an infobox for a ship commissioned (and used) for civilian service, and then converted to a warship (and maybe back)? PaladinWhite 22:27, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Define each term used in ships table for us nautically-challenged types?

I'm trying to build a page out for a ship my father served on -- USS Garcia (FF-1040) -- be gentle, it's my first creation of a ship page and only my second creation of a wiki page ever]], and after slogging through learning about the 1975 USN ship reclassification and WP:NC-S (use most identifiable name, which I take to mean the one in longest usage if in no other way notable)... anyway after surviving all that and finding the updated ship infobox, I have to wander over here to try to figure out what type of data belongs in each field, eg. struck vs. fate=scrapped, reclassified vs. recommissioned, in/out of service versus launched/refit or decomissioned, etc. And I thought the hard part would be draft vs. draught, but at least that kind of thing makes more sense to this addled brain! (Also, the sample template codes in show OR hide mode on this article cover up the example of what gets rendered when using the template. Makes it challenging to decipher some things... at least in Firefox.) - Ageekgal 13:06, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Is this document necessary?

Is this document necessary? It seems to be a collection of stuff taken from other documents.

§Choose an ensign or jack: content available in the {{Infobox ship begin}} Usage guide.

§Table of statistics for a ship: transclusion of Template:Infobox ship begin/doc.

§Table of statistics for a ship class: duplicates portions of §Table of statistics for a ship (already transcluded from Template:Infobox ship begin/doc).

So, there being nothing unique or novel in this document, is the document necessary? I suggest that it is not and that it should be deprecated, removed from the Sidebar and any other WP:SHIPS document that link to it.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 15:45, 22 July 2012 (UTC)