Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/EJay Day
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The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. Postdlf 07:20, 9 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
EJay Day[edit]
This article is about a non-notable American Idol finalist who has not done anything notable outside of finishing last in Season One. Delete as non-notable and unencyclopedic. Hermione1980 21:31, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, apart from a brief appearance on TV, no significant achievements or influence. Average Earthman 22:34, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. We have articles on almost every AI top 12 finalist. The finalists are seen and voted on by millions. Gamaliel 22:52, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. Non-notable. Will vote to delete any other bio article whose only "notability" is a top 12 appearance on American Idol. Contestants names should go in the American Idol article unless otherwise notable. (Winners are probably notable.) Apparently we should include a bio for every person who won a single game of Jeopardy over the show's 40 year history. When we've done that, we can start working on Family Feud winners. As winners all these people are clearly more notable than are American Karaoke losers. Quale 23:09, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- keep or merge, top 12 is reasonable. Accepting articles is not the same as saying we have to create more of the same. Kappa 23:24, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Comment. Just to clarify here—the only reason I put this article up for deletion is because EJay Day has done absolutely nothing that I know of since American Idol. Sure, he was on the Season One tour; he was also on the finalists' album (I think). But he has done nothing on his own aside from that. I'm not saying we need to delete all Top 12 articles; but I agree with Quale insofar as people whose only notability is finalist status on AI. The only exception to that would be current finalists, who haven't had a chance to do anything "outside" of AI. Hermione1980 23:40, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. Even on WP:MUSIC (which is a guideline, not a restrictive minimum!) he can be said to meet criteria 2 and probably 4! Equal footing with other top 10 or 12 AI finalists. Samaritan 23:43, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. Meets Wikimusic Project guidelines. Capitalistroadster 01:37, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, not notable. Megan1967 04:35, 1 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, top 12 on fox's most popular tv show is notable. Jendeyoung 9:16, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
- Keep, personal tastes aside, American Idol is the most-watched television program in the United States for the past decade - the history of folks associated with it is of encyclopedic - if not historic - value. The subject is the first finalist ever to be voted off the show. This is one of the resaons we point out that Wikipedia is not paper. This article hurts nothing and enhances the main American Idol entry. DAVODD 16:11, May 2, 2005 (UTC)
- Comment: If Ejay Day is so important to American Karaoke, mention him in that article. He is simply not important enough for a standalone article and he is not in the slightest bit notable outside the karaoke context. It does hurt WP to include these sorts of articles. It isn't a question of WP not being paper. It's a question of using editorial restraint and judgement, and not letting WP descend into a mudhole of utter mediocrity. Quale 19:25, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Mediocrity also could be seen as being purposely incomplete. The information is of use to scholars of American popular culture. DAVODD 15:20, May 3, 2005 (UTC)
- It's useful to scholars in context. Scholars of pop culture won't look up Ejay Day because he's simply not notable. If his only notability is in the context of American Idol then mention him in the American Idol article. Consider researching all the contestants of American Idol, The Apprentice and The Bachelor. Put the non-notable contestents in the articles for those shows and the information is in 3 places. Otherwise it's in 100 tiny articles, each of which say, "Person A is extremely notable because he/she was the nth person to lose in season m of the reality show zzzz". Quale 20:45, 3 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Mediocrity also could be seen as being purposely incomplete. The information is of use to scholars of American popular culture. DAVODD 15:20, May 3, 2005 (UTC)
- Comment: If Ejay Day is so important to American Karaoke, mention him in that article. He is simply not important enough for a standalone article and he is not in the slightest bit notable outside the karaoke context. It does hurt WP to include these sorts of articles. It isn't a question of WP not being paper. It's a question of using editorial restraint and judgement, and not letting WP descend into a mudhole of utter mediocrity. Quale 19:25, 2 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and redirect to American Idol. He appears to have no notability outside the show.--Theo (Talk) 14:37, 4 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and redirect as above. His fifteen minutes were up some time ago, and my money says that no one will remember his name a year from now. --InShaneee 14:41, 4 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- By the policy that each episode of a major television series can merit an article, we could recast all the losing contestant articles into American Idol season 1 episode (elimination of EJay Day), or however titled, etc. Or we could just accept short individual articles on singers themselves. I'll take the second. Samaritan 14:55, 4 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete not notable loser. Grue 04:17, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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