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Biography assessment rating comment[edit]

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Request to keep Mineshaft Magazine as an External Link[edit]

Recently Mineshaft Magazine (Mineshaft Magazine) was added as an External Link to Robert Crumb's article. It was removed, but I would like to ask Wikipedia Editors to consider keeping this External Link for the following reasons. Mineshaft magazine is a valuable resource for anyone interested in learning more about Robert Crumb. Mineshaft has published more art and letters by R. Crumb than any other contemporary U.S. magazine. Mineshaft has been publishing R. Crumb since 2000 when he discovered the magazine, eighteen issues in a row. He has drawn the magazine's logos, 9 front covers, 8 back covers, and has contributed a total of 119 pages of artwork and letters. "It's my favorite magazine..," says R. Crumb (letter to the editor published in Mineshaft #18). I don't think an entry on Robert Crumb's modern work is complete without a reference to Mineshaft. Aloha67 (talk) 18:54, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

The article says that Crumb is moving to France as a result of his problems with the IRS. IIRC, this is not what Crumb says in the film Crumb; he says the problems were resolved & came about from a misunderstanding over how much money he "must have" made off various artwork for album covers. He says the move to France was his wife's idea. --KQ 19:54 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC)

I believe he was in trouble with the IRS at the time, but it was not a factor in his move to France. He mentioned it in the timeline of his new book.

Crumb's IRS problems were in the late 1970s. The strip he did where he was interviewed by High Times talks about it, and that strip was done in the 70s, sometime after Arcade but before Weirdo. My understanding was that he paid off the IRS (I think it was $40,000) long, long before he moved to France. Acidtoyman (talk) 12:57, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, I think there has been another CD based on Crymb's music collection. I don't know much of it, but I recall that there was some swedish band in it.

The Guardian is running a series or articles on Crumb, they're here and may be useful for further expansion--nixie 01:53, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I find it interesting that the article mentions nothing of his moving to Winters, CA. It follows his moving from Philly, through to San Francisco, then it doesn't mention him moving until the jump to France. He moved to France from Winters. It showed that in the movie. bjparker0385

No mention of Harvey Pekar and American Splendor?[edit]

i may not be of the underground comics elite, but since American Splendor, the movie was created, most people who get to know him through a more mainstream method (i.e. me) would be baffled by the lack of cross-mentioning of pekar in crumb's article. just a thought.

Yeah I agree completely, I really think Pekar and American Splendour should be mentioned somewhere, but i'll leave it for someone else with more knowledge of comics and such. Backbeatlistener (talk) 15:00, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Crumb Interviewed on Fresh Air[edit]

Crumb was interviewed on May 2nd 2005 on Fresh Air Radio Program available Audible

Or directly there http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4627180 80.130.22.176 20:04, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cheap suit serenaders?[edit]

(Original author seems to only have included a headline)

Wasn't that just a hobby for him and some friends, but sure, go ahead and write them in, although it doesn't seem that noteworthy... By the way, are they still playing? It seems that members Crumb and Zwigoff have had some sort of falling out after Zwigoff's movie. 85.226.122.222 07:27, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
You don't seem to understand that a record album is a WORK OF ART and a PUBLICATION and therefore de facto noteworthy in the context of an artist's life. "Not noteworthy" usually translates to "I'm a non-noteworthy douchebag and I'm stamping my little feet" although I'm sure that's not what you meant. I'm assuming good will here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.77.67 (talk) 21:03, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The Cheap Suit Serenaders should definitely be included. Just because an endeavor is not within an artists primary genre does not mean it does not merit inclusion. Mwbeatty (talk) 00:41, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely noteworthy! It appears music is Crumb's second-biggest obsession. He went to some pains to gather a group of like-minded, yet very talented individuals who also had other interests to form this band. Why the Suits were ignored by Zwigoff and this article is beyond me. I had the chance to ask Zwigoff at their annual (1/09) gig in Berkely. He just said he did shoot some footage of a gig, but the lighting didn't come out right. That's it? I don't get it. The Suits should be a major part of any bio of Crumb. Wikpenguin (talk) 17:52, 1 September 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Their album appears briefly in the film Ghost World as the album steve buscemi says is not worth listening to. the director appears on the album, and steve is apparently a stand in for R. Crumb, so its an incestuous mention (director was the director of Crumb). i think that gives more weight to mentioning the band and their album. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 19:55, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Additions, cleanup[edit]

Most of the edits I've made are for the sake of clarity. All of the comix titles are from actual copies of those publications: Gothic Blimp Works, Yellow Dog, Motor City. Robert Hughes' comparison of Crumb to Albrecht Dürer can be heard spoken by Hughes in the documentary film Crumb. j a m e s 14:41, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Missing: Disney Suit[edit]

I think it's significant that Crumb was sued by Disney over the Mickey & Minnie cartoon, that they won millions in the suit and that's the reason he doesn't come back and work in the US. That's what I heard, anyway. Rumors and gossip of course, I'd like to hear more about the truth of the matter. I have boycotted Disney films ever since then, over this rumor. gluefish

I never heard that rumor, it sounds somewhat vague from your explanation over why Disney would be sueing Crumb. Crumb has a general dislike for the mainstream and this sounds too hard to believe. Although good move in boycotting Disney movies... Maya Levy 05:25, 11 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Which Mickey and Minnie cartoon? Are you talking about Air Pirates Funnies? Robert Crumb wasn't even a member of the Air Pirates, to begin with. You might be thinking about Dan O'Neill, an entirely different underground cartoonist. 惑乱 分からん 15:47, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It was Air Pirates Funnies by Dan O'Neill. Crumb was never sued by Disney.

Freak Brothers comic strip not by R. Crumb[edit]

The article accredits the "Freak Brothers" comic strip to R. Crumb, but it was created by Gilbert Shelton. see Freak_brothers.

Britney comic[edit]

A gossip blog is spreading a rumour about a Britney comic to be made by R. Crumb.[1] Any Verifibility in this?

Seems to be a bad joke, like "Haha, Britney's gotten chubby, looking like White Trash" or something stupid like that. Just a note, you should always be skeptical of rumors that consist of nothing more than two juxtaposed jpg's... 惑乱 分からん 17:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cook Book?[edit]

Wasn't there a cookbook illustrated by this artist? I think it was called Eat It! or something like that.

BTW, the "official site" link appears broken.

Yeah, there was. I think it was written by one of his sisters. One of the cutest things he has ever done, apparently... =S The broken link might be temporary... 惑乱 分からん 12:55, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I actually just found a copy on Amazon. The author was credited as Dana Crumb, so guess it could be a relation. Very cute book indeed.
OK, here's the details. In 1974 (I think), Robert's wife Dana wrote the cookbook "Eat it", which Robert illustrated. Later, Robert divorced Dana and gave interviews where he dismissed her as naive and immature. In 1996, Dana released a new cookbook, called "Still eatin' it!", also illustrated by R. Crumb. The front covers look almost the same with new titles, though, so I suspect all artwork was just reprinted from the earlier book... 惑乱 分からん 22:23, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"r. crumb's myspace"[edit]

are we completely sure that this is a legitimate crumb myspace? has there been any official word on it? cma 06:44, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I really doubt its legit, actually. For starters, any web presence for R Crumb would almost certainly be through Jesse Crumb (who maintains the official Crumb website) or perhaps Sophie Crumb. I'm not even sure if Bob and Aline Crumb have a web connection in that isolated French village they live in. Also, in the MySpace profile under heroes, it states "The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers!!!", which I somehow doubt he's even much a fan of. Peter G Werner 17:10, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It would be cool, but Crumb is rather a recluse mostly shunning life in public. Having a public blog like this seems somehow far from his personality. 惑乱 分からん 10:01, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is no way R. Crumb has myspace account. Doubt it's Sophie either, since she has always been determined to make a name on her own and would not exploit her father's. Jesse is a possibility since he's been scamming off his father for decades, but doubt he would have anything to do with it unless it somehow made him money.Luvhandels 08:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"small village in the South of France"[edit]

is about all anyone needs to know. I don't know if this has been dicussed before, but the Crumbs have indicated many times that they don't particularly wish to have their exact coordinates broadcast (and publishing the name of the village is more than sufficient to encourage stalkers). I know that misguided fans can probably still get the information somewhere else, but there's no need to push the info out there for them. Whiskey Pete 00:03, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

sorry, but the crumbs do not have to decide this, or anything else in this article 89.217.19.130 19:44, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The house in France was more accurately described as a "chateau" not a "castle". Hard to imagine Crumb in a castle. K8 fan 05:47, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"Chateau" is the French word for castle, so I don't see your point.--Spiff666 (talk) 16:41, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A chateau and a castle are two different things. Although the words are often used interchangably, they refer to different things. A castle is a fortified building, whereas a chateau is more akin to a manor house - they vary in size considerably and some are fortified and large, although most are small and more like a large house. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.216.6.175 (talk) 13:42, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Um, some French Chateaux are definitely castles, and some are not. -- Jibal (talk) 06:57, 22 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

They actually live IN Sauve in the center of the medieval village, not in a chateau, but in a regular old village attached house that was fixed at the time they moved in and keeps most of its original character with lots of charm and not much of modern comfort, not that big at all!!! Pretty humble, actually. Many people from humble backgrounds live in the same type of home. The home would resemble a chateau only by its age, but is not otherwise a chateau by any mean.108.35.41.214 (talk) 10:24, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Link to critical review.[edit]

This link is being repeatedly removed. It offers a critical review of Crumb's work and is an entirely appropriate link for this page. —Gaff ταλκ 18:43, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. While the article is filled with bias and conjecture, and makes no mention of how a supposed misogynist somehow manages to co-draw the majority of his work of the past 20 years with Aline - it's worth linking to.K8 fan 05:53, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish?[edit]

Crumb was raised a Catholic and I've never heard him mention Jewish ancestry in any of his interviews or autobiographical material. His wife is Jewish but neither of them are still religious so I doubt she converted him. Unless someone wants to provide a notable source saying otherwise, I'm moving him from the Jewish writers category. Ash Loomis (talk) 00:45, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Straight from the mare's mouth, dismissal: [2] 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 10:03, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Comics B-Class Assesment required[edit]

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Plagiarized[edit]

Some texts in "Life and career" section, which were added by IP 71.107.63.224, are mostly same as Robertcrumb.net[3]. Robertcrumb.net is the original because it was copyrighted in 2005 though Wikipedia's texts was added in May 2006 [4]. The original document's author reserves his copyright in the above site. I think it's can't be admitted as fairuse. We should delete the plagiarized texts. --Kasuga (talk) 10:28, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely. Delete WP:COPYVIO text on sight. MURGH disc. 11:56, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I removed some texts which violated the copyright obviously. But I might destroy the context of the article. It needs to fix with uncopyvio materials.--Kasuga (talk) 14:03, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Health[edit]

Has his health been affected by his previous use of drugs?Lestrade (talk) 14:21, 18 January 2009 (UTC)Lestrade[reply]

Hmmm, physically he was never an a-list specimen to begin with, and mentally, I'd guess you could say it's debatable. Apparently he has mostly tried out psychedelic drugs, though, and their long-run physical impact seems generally minor. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 23:06, 16 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
he also stopped using drugs in the late seventies from my understanding. Over thirty years of being clean would negate the physical effects of the drugs he used, I imagine. Acidtoyman (talk) 07:41, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This page is not a question and answer site. -- Jibal (talk) 06:54, 22 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Devil Girl Chocolate Bar: Disproportionate Length[edit]

I think this section is disproportionately long. Really, that product (which was only available for a short time anyway) is a footnote in his career and shouldn't be like a third of the article! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.161.237.83 (talk) 13:48, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I want to delete it except for a brief mention. Not notable. Sevenstones (talk) 19:35, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GFP[edit]

I'm pretty sure he released a (45 rpm) single entitled "My Girlfriend's Pussy," pressed on red vinyl. That would have been circa the the late 1970's. Weepy.Moyer (talk) 00:42, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

i think it may have been "my girl's pussy", might be on this bands releases: R. Crumb & His Cheap Suit Serenaders, one album featured in film Ghost World. and the song, of course, is a double entendre, risque but not obscene.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 06:39, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, MGP was not on any Suits LP/CD. It was on the 78 Party Record, B/W Christopher Columbus, released in 1974 and very rare. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikpenguin (talk • contribs) 17:55, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

MGP also appears on the CD Sampler with the R. Crumb Reader book that was put out a few years back. - 70.90.182.76 (talk) 18:27, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tags[edit]

I've added three tags today, since this article requires a great deal of work to comply with Wikipedia's policies, guidelines and standards. Robert Crumb is obviously a major figure in popular culture, and his Wikipedia article needs to be improved and also expanded to reflect this.

Many of the existing ELs can likely be inserted as footnotes in an expanded article. If not, then they may not add anything critical to the article and should be removed. --Tenebrae (talk) 22:36, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This deleted EL[edit]

I've removed the EL to ifpthendirt.com since, while clicking through to cartoonists takes you to a page with an enveloped purportedly from Crumb, clicking through to its content takes you to a page at ifpthendirt.com/ifpthendirt.com/crumb1.html which reads:

Internal Server Error

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator, webmaster@ifpthendirt.jokeslide.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

Additionally, a 500 Internal Server Error error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

I attempted to access archived pages at Archive.org, but only found broken-image tags. --Tenebrae (talk) 14:31, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Image discussion[edit]

The image used in the infobox, File:Robert Crumb.jpg, is being discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics#Crumb image. Fram (talk) 14:04, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This portrait is terrible. If we are going to use a 2D artwork representation of crumb rather than a photograph wouldn't it be better to use something more stylistically in line with his work?Warrenking (talk) 15:49, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Because the work is not a photograph it is more difficult to judge its suitability. I hope that we can still learn something be looking at the Wikipedia:Featured_picture_criteria. Warrenking (talk) 03:01, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that this image is unsuitable for this page. It suits only as (self) promotion of the creator of the portrait. Can we please delete it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whyyesyouknow (talk • contribs) 20:14, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:30, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Totally agree. Given that Crumb's a cartoonist who's particularly known for his autobio work, wouldn't a cartoon of himself be most appropriate? Acidtoyman (talk) 07:36, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I hope nobody minds that I've added another image of Crumb to this page. It's a self-portrait from 1986 that clearly shows his face while clearly showing the obsessive crosshatching style he'd developed by that point. This image is all over the internet---Lambiek's site makes use of it, too. I'm not sure of the printed source, though. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a more appropriate image. Acidtoyman (talk) 07:57, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
What's up with that abysmal painting still being there? For shame!! It's so painfully amateurish --84.215.230.125 (talk) 07:14, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Top Importance?[edit]

There's a discussion on which comic-related articles should be listed as "Top Importance" on the importance scale, and I feel this article should not be included. If any user disagrees or wishes to contribute, please do so there. Argento Surfer (talk) 14:47, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It is a source of constant amusement and/or irritation to me that Wikipedia always slants things toward acceptance of the Euro-American mainstream, and non-acceptance (or occasionally even outright denunciation) of other viewpoints and sub-cultures. Although I personally believe Crumb is an artistic trailblazer and cultural icon of the highest order, I am not going to challenge Wikipedia's right to do things the Wikipedia way. The veneration of superhero escapism over intellectual bravery puzzles me, but then, so does much of modern life.Ramseyman (talk) 02:54, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Children[edit]

Crumb has a son and a daughter, and neither are mentioned here. His daughter even has a wikipedia page...sheesh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.100.216.156 (talk) 19:46, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

perpetratin' myths[edit]

this is soooo dumb * in the intro controversy is mentioned over depictions of non-whites and women * this is about the most oft repeated remark about crumb * people who think this way are not artists in any sense * crumb depicts race AS OTHERS SEE IT, which is the artst*s job * the issue of women is more valid * but his wife fully endorses his work and as per the film Crum actually encouraged him * he readily admits to long standing issues * that often stem from personal experience * the funniest scene in Crumb is when an ex-girl friend kicks him in the shins when he says *I was just abusing the word 'love'* the sentence in the intro should be modified * 74.78.15.101 (talk) 15:41, 12 May 2014 (UTC)GRUMPY[reply]

You're wrong. In any case, the personal opinions of editors are irrelevant. -- Jibal (talk) 06:51, 22 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Jackson had no biological descendants[edit]

List_of_children_of_the_Presidents_of_the_United_States#Andrew_and_Rachel_Jackson

No matter what Robert Crumb says, he isn't a descendant of Andrew Jackson, since Jackson had no biological children. I am removing the part of "Early Life" that states that as if it were a fact. If someone wants to put in a sentence that says that Robert Crumb erroneously thinks he is descendant of Andrew Jackson, that is fine.

74.203.51.2 (talk) 21:36, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

external links[edit]

I removed these links from the main page as excessive per WP:ELNO, Too much further reading, WP:NOTDIRECTORY, WP:NOTEVERYTHING, etc. If they have useful content for article development, they should be used to cite newly added prose. --Animalparty! (talk) 22:11, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • interview on John's Old Time Radio Show 2012
  • Mineshaft magazine regularly publishing R. Crumb's sketchbook drawings. Currently serializing Excerpts from R. Crumb's Dream Diary.
  • Crumb and East River String Band in the Wall Street Journal
  • Kim Deitch reviews Robert Crumb's GENESIS from Mineshaft magazine, issue #25 (Spring, 2010).
  • Page Six New York Post
  • Lovece, Frank. "R. Crumb's Family Circus", Entertainment Weekly #277, June 2, 1995.
  • "Monsieur Naturel: R. Crumb in France" by Brendan Bernhard, LA Weekly, April 29, 1998.
  • "Mr. Natural" by Ian Buruma, The New York Review of Books 53(6), April 6, 2006. – Review of The R. Crumb Handbook
  • Crumb plays mandolin in France 2012 on YouTube
  • The Crumbs' Underground Comics NPR Fresh Air interview with R. Crumb and wife Aline Kominsky Crumb
  • Biblical Sex Row Over Explicit Illustrated Book of Genesis, The Telegraph, October 18, 2009
  • Widmer, Ted (Summer 2010). "R. Crumb, The Art of Comics No. 1". Paris Review.
  • Cult American cartoonist Robert Crumb on show at Paris' Modern Art Museum, RFI English
  • The New York Times

"pornographic"[edit]

His work is pornographic only in the same sense that Pablo Picasso's later work is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David Ransford Ingham (talk • contribs) 03:22, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Um, no ... you clearly haven't seen it. In any case, our personal opinions aren't relevant. -- Jibal (talk) 06:49, 22 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Extensive LSD use[edit]

I'm suspicious about the "extensive" LSD use because when I checked one of the two sources, it says nothing about LSD at all. He took his first hit in 1964[5] and his second in 1966[6] which doesn't sound extensive to me, although he could have picked up the pace later. Does the Coffee Table source support "extensive"? GA-RT-22 (talk) 00:02, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Images[edit]

Both examples of Crumb's work in this article are non-free; however, we have one available example of his work that was not copyrighted for lack of notice: File:Helix, v.5, no.9, Dec. 12, 1968 - DPLA - b4b749b194d7f45676e4a241a7cce198 (page 17).jpg, an ad for Zap Comix. I leave it to someone else to decide whether we might want to substitute this for one of the current fair-use images. - Jmabel | Talk 20:17, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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