Talk:Constantinople observatory of Taqi ad-Din

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How can this be one of the greatest telescopes in the arabic wolrd, when the telescope was not yet invented?

Good point. I'll fix it. – Quadell ^{(talk) (sleuth)} 18:15, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC)

I guess meant the Islamic world, Istanbul never was under the control of an Arabic tribe or nation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Osmanakan (talk • contribs) 13:16, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Istanbul Observatory of Taqi ad-Din[edit]

Someone has recently changed the page from Istanbul Observatory to Constantinople Observatory without any prior discussion or effort to seek consensus first. I do not know how to revert this, perhaps someone else does. AstroLynx (talk) 09:10, 24 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 26 January 2017[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Consensus is that this should not be renamed per the sources with the name "Constantinople" as the name during the period. (closed by non-admin page mover) -- Dane ^talk 04:59, 6 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Constantinople Observatory of Taqi ad-Din → Istanbul Observatory of Taqi ad-Din – Please move page back to its original article title. The recent move was made without any prior discussion on the Talk page or attempt to seek consensus first. A simple Google search for "Constantinople Observatory of" and "Istanbul Observatory of" indicates that the latter is far more common (55 versus 3420 hits). AstroLynx (talk) 10:12, 26 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support move. But that's nobody's business but the Turks. ONR (talk) 20:20, 26 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Don't support. The town was not known under the name Istanbul until 1930.--Kuschln (talk) 13:09, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide a source for this claim. AstroLynx (talk) 13:44, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Our article Names of Istanbul#İstanbul gives Stanford and Ezel Shaw (1977): History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. Vol II, p. 386; Robinson (1965), The First Turkish Republic, p. 298 as a source for the claim that widespread use of Istanbul rather than Constantinople in English stems from a Turkish Government decision taken in 1928. Andrewa (talk) 14:07, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Nom does not give details of their simple Google search but mine gave 3920 for Constantinople vs only 174 for Istanbul. And as noted above, a similar claim about the historical name of the city is made in our article, and supported there by a source. Andrewa (talk) 14:15, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting, when I do the same, and also delete the spurious " at the begin of your Google search text I only get 6 for Constantinople and 543 for Istanbul which is in stark contrast with your claim. Repeating my earlier Google searches adding "-Wikipedia" I get 7 hits for Constantinople and 978 for Istanbul AstroLynx (talk) 15:49, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ooops, my typo, you're quite right, only 10 ghits without the typo. I'm human. It does at least demonstrate that it's good to provide the URL!

But the point about the renaming of the city is still valid. For the brief period that the observatory existed, the city was known as Constantinople. To call it Istanbul seems confusing, and perhaps also POV. Andrewa (talk) 02:58, 4 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Following this line of reasoning, the article on the pyramids of Egypt should then be renamed the pyramids of Kemet or the pyramids of the Black Land. Most (if not all) of the scholarly papers on the observatory of Taqi ad-Din or which refer to it locate it in Istanbul, not in Constantinople. AstroLynx (talk) 13:36, 4 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. I am surprised, leaning for the first time, that "Istabul" is a descriptive name ("the city") that did not not become used as a proper name until very recently, long after this short lived observatory. The city's ("town" is not the word!) name was Constantinople / Kostantiniyye at the time. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:07, 4 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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