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Songs about Saskatoon[edit]

Perhaps some mention should be made of the Johnny Cash song, "The Girl In Saskatoon"?

A number of songs mentioning Saskatoon exist, such as the Guess Who's "Running Back to Saskatoon." Maybe someone can add a list? 23skidoo 00:50, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

For anyone that might compile this list, don't forget Sammy Kershaw: "Well, it may be cold up in Saskatoon, but it can’t be colder than our bedroom".—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.165.191.125 (talk • contribs) .

Another, more recent song is "Coming Home" by Dallas Green (of Alexisonfire). He states "Hell, I've seen Saskatoon." Smw092 (talk) 05:38, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Sort-of-completely-maybe unrelated... but while I was doing a Google search for "The Girl from Saskatoon" song, I found that there is a Norwegian band of that same name http://www.girlfromsaskatoon.no/ Thomas Dzubin Talk 00:25, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since there is no heading re: Book Reference of Saskatoon, I'm going to post this here. The mention of Saskatoon, Saskatchewan being part of the incantation to blot out the sun in Mark Twain's "Conneticut Yankee..." is actually WRONG. The quote is from the Bing Crosby movie version and not the actual book. If you look up the book you'll find there was no actual incantation in Mark Twain's original story. Can someone please change this.

Economy questions[edit]

In the economy section there should be some mention of IRD and VCom. IRD employs ~160 people and has sales of over $30 million. They're the world leader in intelligent transport systems. VCom is another engineering firm and employs ~500 people.

Why is there a link to J.D. Peppercorns?

Time Zone[edit]

Saskatoon should be listed as in mountain time (-0700) during the summer, since we don't have DST. --Royalguard11 03:15, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The name of our time zone doesn't change. I just said non-applicable. Actually, no one's time zone changes names, they just move back or forward and hour. 23skidoo 04:36, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

---The time zone in Saskatoon is technically Mountain Daylight Savings Time all year round, as the time zone technically splits down the middle of the province, and Saskatoon is in the western half. It's just that since most of the information about time comes from Regina, which is in the Eastern half of the province, and thererfore technically always in Central Standard Time, that Saskatoon takes it for granted is also in the central time zone.

I've seen an official time zone map -- there's also one in every Telus phone book. The time zone boundary was changed a number of years ago and is now the Alberta-Saskatchewan border except around Lloydminster where it jogs a bit so that both halves of the city are in the same time zone. The split down the middle of Saskatchewan hasn't been effective in at least 30 years. 23skidoo 13:08, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I thought that Saskatchewan was in the Central time zone? That's what I always told people when they asked what time zone I was in. fishhead2100 April 30, 2006 11:54PM (UTC)

According to Telus' time zone map, this is correct. All of Saskatchewan (except for a small area east of Lloydminster which doesn't show up on the map) is in the Central time zone. The area around Lloyd is in Mountain (and probably adopts DST too) so that the city and its directly serviced area remain in the same time zone. 23skidoo 14:14, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Officially, in Telecommucations, Saskatchewan is Central Standard Time, -600. This is a constant year around since telecommunications does not take into account daylight savings time. This was what we used when I was a radio operator in the CF.

Saskatoon is always on GMT -6, also known as Central Standard Time. --Allthenamesarealreadytaken 00:14, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This document from the Government of Saskatchewan clarifies the time situation. Except for the Battle River (Lloydminster) Time Option, i.e. the area around Lloydminster, Saskatchewan is on CST year round (direct quote), and this has been the situation since the Time Act of 1966 was passed. This includes Saskatoon. Maps showing the province divided down the middle reflect the historic pre-1966 situation. Mr Death 11:38, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mountain Daylight Time = Central Standard Time = The same thing —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.87.234.180 (talk) 21:53, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gordie Howe[edit]

Gordie Howe was born in Floral, Saskatchewan, not Saskatoon. Although I'm sure he spent many years in Saskatoon ( along with many other small towns playing minor hockey) he is not from Saskatoon. The point is, the page should only consider people actually from the river city. Any notable people from Northern/Central Saskatchewan who happened to spend time in Saskatoon should be considered simply for the page dedicated to the province.

I disagree. Gordie Howe is considered a Saskatonian and a major part of its history. The fact he was not born there is immaterial. Simiarly Joni Mitchell is considered one of Saskatoon's daughters, even though she was born in Fort Macleod and became famous elsewhere. The list of names explains that it includes people who spent a notable amount of time here, so Howe qualifies, as does Cameron Mitchell and the others. 23skidoo 19:24, 14 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
As noted, Gordie Howe is a celebrated citizen of Saskatoon. He attended King George School in his youth, and has returned to the school many times to honour it. User:Ddarwen 18:00, 8 February, 2013. —Preceding undated comment added 01:00, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Native Theatre[edit]

The explanation of the Native Theater company sounds like its copied from a website or a newspaper article. Could someone shorten it down a lot or get rid of it, bnecause its actually not that important in Saskatoon. 

       Okay First...the last point was very rude!  Theatre is a huge part of saskatoon culture, especially Native
       Theatre...saskatoon is not only due to land treaties but it is also a cree word, and gordie how may not have been 
       born here but he did grow up here, in riversdale, he attended elementary school at King George Community School,
       I suggest you look it up!Drl
Although theatre may be a signfigant part of Saskatoon (Persephone, Off Broadway, and SNTC), SNTC does not deserve 2 paragraphs while other things like Waneskewin and the WDM are only getting 2 or 3 lines each. It might be more useful to talk about theatre in general, highlighing key points of each major theatre company, but hey, that's just me. And the first user is true that it does sound as if copied from the website or newspaper article.

some To?[edit]

Next to the listing for CMHC is the phrase "some To". I have no idea what that means. Is it a typo or did something get cut off? 23skidoo 04:52, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Changed, it was supposed to say "some Top 40", not some To. I have no idea why that happened, either, to be honest, hehe. Bluefox 16:58, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I figured with all the new formats out there maybe there was something I wasn't aware of! ;-) 23skidoo 17:45, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Bessborough[edit]

I was very pleased to see the detailed and up to date article on Saskatoon. I'm surprised, though, that no one has mentioned the Delta Bessborough Hotel. The "Castle by the River" is probably the most recognized and most photographed landmark in the city. I don't know all the details but I believe it was started as a "make work" project during the "Dirty Thirties" and was owned by one of the railway companies. Perhaps someone more knowledgable on the subject could add something about it.


It was built starting in 1928 by the CNR. It was completed in 1931, but there wasn't sufficient money (or demand) to actually open it, so it stayed closed until 1935. There were a couple of events in it prior to that time - a reception for a royal visit (NOT the King and Queen - that was in 1939) - and something else. The Bess was NOT a make-work project, although I believe that some relief labour did work on it (maybe on the grounds?). DocMarten2525 16:11, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For some reason the hotel was awkwardly placed at Hotel Bessborough and being a resident of Saskatoon for a long while and having never heard it called that I moved it to the most commonly used name, Delta Bessborough. It may have been called Hotel Bessborough at one time, but it's universally known in Saskatoon as the Delta Bessborough (and you even mentioned it up there). -Royalguard11(T·R!) 22:03, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Two things that I would like to say, number one being that no, the Delta Bessborough was not a make work profect, but in case you're curious, the weir was. As well, the Delta Bessborough is the official name for the hotel, but by most locals it is simply called the Bessborough — Preceding unsigned comment added by Books 18 (talk • contribs) 02:25, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Toontown[edit]

I recently found a reference to "Toontown" in my high school year book (Evan Hardy Collegiate, in Saskatoon) written the year I graduated, 1987, and I know it was in common usage as a name among people I knew at that time. This predates the derivation given of "Who Framed Roger Rabbit", from 1988.

I'm pretty certain I'd heard it before then, too. I'll add a comment to this effect. 23skidoo 19:39, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I remember that too, though it became more popular after Roger Rabbit.

Michael Hickenbottom aka Shawn Michaels[edit]

Since when has Shawn Michaels (professional wrestler) ever lived in Saskatoon or was even raised there. I would like concrete evidence that he was either raised or lived for a time in Saskatoon because to my knowledge he has never lived in Saskatoon. fishhead2100 April 30, 2006 11:52PM (UTC)

It says absolutely nothing about him being raised here in his book. Or even spending any amount of time. I don't know where this info came from, but it is not correct and has been removed. Katie 20:52, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe someone got him mixed up with Rowdy Roddy Piper who was born in Saskatoon... 23skidoo 03:35, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I can't how someone could get him mixed up with Rowdy Roddy Piper? They are not even close to the same. Mr. C.C. 08:16, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Even Piper who was born there was raised in Manitoba. That's like saying since the hospital I was born in is in the next town, that I'm from the next town.

"Falun Gong Week/Month?"[edit]

Seriously, does Saskatoon have an official Falun Gong Week? Are they trying to establish a Falun Gong Month? --spetz

No, and no. We do not have a Falun Gong week or month, or even day. nneonneo 19:09, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed move of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page). No further edits should be made to this section.

Saskatoon, Saskatchewan → Saskatoon … Rationale: No question of ambiguity per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (city names)#Canada. There is currently a redirect from Saskatoon. — Usgnus 17:15, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Survey[edit]

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
  • Support I don't see any problem with this. I also doubt that there would be any confusion with the old electroial dirtrict or the berry. --Edgelord 19:49, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support --KPbIC 01:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support There doesn't seem to be a reason not to. Saskatoon redirects to here. -Royalguard11Talk 01:40, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Only one Saskatoon.--Húsönd 14:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support No ambiguity will result. --KenWalker | Talk 05:10, 14 August 2006 (UTC).[reply]
  • Strong Support I see no reason at all that the page should not be changed to Saskatoon. Sven Erixon 06:24, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Add any additional comments

Note Wikipedia:Canadian wikipedians' notice board/discussion#City naming convention poll 2. Shouldn't that vote be completed and the policy consensus concluded before we can proceed with this Saskatoon vote? Dl2000 02:36, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Good point, but this move is supported by both the existing naming convention and the proposed one. --Usgnus 03:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also in that nameing convention Saskatoon is actually listed as an example of a city that can have a place name because the name is unique and it has a population of over 100,000. There is no reason to stop this vote. --Edgelord 21:12, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moved[edit]

Per consensus above, the page has been moved. -Goldom ‽‽‽ ⁂ 22:37, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page). No further edits should be made to this section.

School boards[edit]

Why is there an article on the public system and not the Catholic/Separate system? That seems a bit lop-sided (and I'm not even Catholic). Also, the numbers given for the number of schools is out of whack. I just counted and the two school boards have 14 high schools, not 10 as originally noted (not counting the three under construction). The number of elementary schools also seems low but I haven't had time to count them, but it looks like that might only be counting the public schools. 23skidoo 14:48, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The High Schools in Saskatoon are:

  • Holy Cross (Catholic)
  • BJM (Catholic)
  • St. Joseph (Catholic)
  • ED Feehan (Catholic)
  • Joe Duquette (Part of Catholic system)
  • Bishop Murray (Part of Catholic system)
  • Walter Murray Collegiate
  • Aden Bowman Collegiate
  • Even Hardy Collegiate
  • Bedford Road Collegiate
  • Mount Royal Collegiate
  • Marion M. Graham Collegiate
  • City Park
  • Nutana
  • Bethleham (Catholic, under construction)
  • Centenial (Public, under construction)
  • Tommy C Douglas (Public, under construction)
6 part of the Catholic system, and 8 part of the public system, and 3 under construction. The ones missed were probably Joe Duquette, Bishop Murray, Nutana, and City Park. None of those schools field sports teams (in the SHSAA-Saskatoon High School Athletic Asociation), so someone might have missed them there. Hope that helps. -Royalguard11TalkMy Desk 16:52, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and all the schools are listed at the Cathoic Board Site and the Public Board site. -Royalguard11TalkMy Desk 16:54, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, though the point I was trying to make is the Catholic system should have its own article. Cheers. 23skidoo 17:57, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and Centenial is oppening this year for grades nine-ten. -Royalguard11TalkMy Desk 20:40, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Added article about Greater Saskatoon Catholic School Division SriMesh Julia 04:54, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

QE Power Station[edit]

I just noticed that the section on the power station had, at some point, turned into total gibberish. I've rewritten it, but it may need some expanding by people who know more about it. One correction I made to the latest edit is the station isn't actually located at the intersection of Power Road (which is technically a non-existent street anyway - it's just the entrance to the dump) and Spadina, but rather a bit further down the road. 23skidoo 23:21, 31 August 2006 (UTC) Haha, I'm sure lots of people appreciate that, thanks for caring ;-) Books 18 (talk) 02:31, 16 March 2011 (UTC)books_18[reply]

Red light cameras[edit]

Is the red light cameras bit really necessary? I know this article has quite a bit of local minutae (I've added a lot to it), but the installation of red light cameras is hardly earth shattering nor is it notable since they're getting to be as common as traffic lights. Anyone object if I delete that bit? 23skidoo 02:29, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's important locally because it is the first red light camera in Saskatoon. There's also quite a big ticket for running it. Drivers will run every other red light in the city, but will slow down before coming to C&Circle just in case it turns red. It's also added a lot of money to the city treasurey. But I guess it is just a little bit of a local tibit, and WP:NOT a travel guide. If you don't think it's needed, delete it, unless anyone objects. -Royalguard11(Talk)(Desk) 03:49, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think it should be deleted. I live in Calgary, and they are everywhere (like most cities I believe). Even Regina has a few. I would hardly find a red light camera to be encyclopedic. Sven Erixon 05:13, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That's the thing. If Saskatoon was the first city to use them, that would be another thing. And RLCs are not unique to Saskatoon (unlike, say, the bridges for which there are articles and so on). I think that's where the notability factor has to be considered -- what information here can be considered unique to Saskatoon? 23skidoo 11:45, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The thing i hate is sometimes you have to speed up cos that lite changes so fast. I ran a red cos i was too late to stop and i speeded up when it was amber. Doesn't weather conditions also have a factor in it too? I could've got a pic in the mail with my car halfway on the intersection sideways or something but to avoid a traffic accident i speeded up to avoid it. (I am refering to the intersection of circle dr and Ave C. ) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.64.67.229 (talk • contribs)

it should not be there. look at other city entries. most developed cities in the world have red light cameras and it's not something you search on an online encyclopaedia like Wikipedia for. 02:06, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Name[edit]

Bill Barry, the Saskatchewan place name expert theorized that Saskatoon may have come from another Cree word meaning place of the populars or something like that, since it is more accurate a description of the area and sounds closer to the name Saskatoon than misâskwatômina. He also pointed out that Saskatoons aren't actually native to the area. Discussion?

Research[edit]

Why is there as section labled Research linked to Saskatchewan Isotope Laboratory on the Saskatoon main page? If this is research conducted by the U of S it's not the only research conducted by the U of S, and not the most important research conducted by the U of S. It doen't merit an entire section on the Saskatoon main page. Shouldn't this be moved the the U of S page?

Inuit Bridge?[edit]

An anonymous editor added "Inuit Bridge" to the list of bridges in Saskatoon, stating that it's a pedestrian bridge. I was in Saskatoon 3 weeks ago and there was no such bridge that I could see, and I can't find any online reference to such a bridge being planned. In any event, I think we should stick to road and rail bridges anyway, but if anyone can confirm a pedestrian bridge in Saskatoon by this name, let's hear it. Perhaps one of the existing pedestrian-over-road bridges has been so named? I'm also suspicious about the accuracy of the addition as Inuit isn't exactly the first First Nations name I would associate with Saskatoon... 23skidoo 02:21, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As a Saskatonian, I can say with certainty that there is no such bridge. Aottley 02:51, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
As another Saskatonian, I can also say that it doesn't exist, and that there are no pedestrian bridges in Saskatoon. Only trafic & rail ones. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk) 03:07, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thought so. I'm a Saskatonian living in Calgary so I wasn't 100% certain, but I tend to follow such things and I'm sure I would have heard if they were going to put in a bridge like that. 23skidoo 04:15, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Never mind, the guy who posted this is a "nonsense vandal" who has apparently been posting insane sounding gibberish regarding Saskatoon all over Wikipedia, even on the discussion page for the Main Page. I wonder if he's related to the nutcase who was putting up all those posters on lightposts in Saskatoon claiming cannibals were eating people or whatever that was ... 23skidoo 04:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hey don't they mean the bridge behind the university that the meewasin trail leads to, where the train track bridge is linking the university with spadina cres (where the new river landing is)? It's how i get to 33rd st from sutherland.

No, that's the CN Rail bridge. The pedestrian use of that bridge is (technically) illegal, but CN and the city don't bother enforcing the ordinance.--71.17.188.132 (talk) 16:47, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As a native Saskatonian (and I mean that in BOTH the nuances of the word "Native" that apply here) I can categorically say that there is NO SUCH BRIDGE as this purported "Inuit Bridge." The only bridges in Saskatoon that cross the river are the Idylwyld Bridge (AKA 8Th Street Bridge, AKA Sid Buckwald Bridge), The University Bridge, the Victoria Bridge (AKA The Traffic Bridge), The Circle Drive Bridge, the two rail bridges, and the Broadway Bridge. There is also an unnamed pedestrian bridge in Kinsman Park that crosses a streambed that once fed into the river, but that stream has been dry for decades and now only serves to allow water to drain out of the park into the river. It shpuld be noted that there is currentyly (2009) a plan to build a new bridge, but construction has not started yet. See here for more info: http://www.saskatoon.ca/org/municipal_engineering/transportation_planning/proposed_locations.pdf --71.17.188.132 (talk) 16:47, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Theatres question[edit]

An anonymous editor removed the Roxy from being referenced as a single-screen theatre. Is it still a twin theatre like it was when it was the Towne Cinema? I thought when it became the Roxy it became a single again; if so, the section needs to be corrected as it currently states the Broadway is the only single-screen cinema in the city. 23skidoo 04:17, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I can't remember, I believe the Roxy is two screens. According to [1], it's screening 4 movies this week. And the Broadway is for drama, isn't it? -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk) 05:14, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No, the Broadway has always been a movie theatre, though it also doubles as a performance venue for concerts and the Saskatoon Soaps (are they still going?). It was the only theatre in the city that showed A Scanner Darkly this past summer. If the Roxy is still a twin, then OK never mind. (Actually near the end the Towne Cinema actually had a third screen which I recall was about the size of a big-screen TV...) 23skidoo 11:14, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes the Soaps are still running....
I looked at "theatres" and it only talks about the movies. What about the live theatres like Persephone, Castle(At Aden Bowman), and Off-Broadway? Tates 23:46, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The roxy has TWO screens, I live in saskatoon, and i've been to it many times, it's a two screen, and second, why is this even being discused? picklefishman aug. 18, 2007

Mitchell's closure[edit]

The announcement that the Mitchell's plant will be closed is cited here, but the link probably won't be active for more than a few days before it's put behind a subscriber wall. If anyone can find a more permanent link - perhaps a press release page from Maple Leaf - please feel free to replace the link I've used here. According to the mayor only the main plant is closing and not some of the smaller facilities in town, so it's not a complete pull-out. 23skidoo 12:49, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I use to work at Mitchell's and the idea of them pulling out of 11th St due to the building being there for all thoose years (at one point they lost their HACAP accrediting) has been floating around for years. They wanted to build a new plant over by the Saskatoon correctional, but since Maple Leaf owns the Brandon, Manitoba slaughter plant and it hasn't been at more than half capacity ever, the loonie being strong, etc. Everything but the slaughtering is being moved to the Mcleod Plant. They got all that money from the city, provincial and federal gov'ts to build the new slaughter plant in the north industrial end and also got money to upgrade the 11th St. plant. That location is supposed to have the next phase for completing the circle drive rd.

RV?[edit]

I don't want to get in a revert war here, but User:Anger22 reverted edits by User:Skatch. The edits consisted of adding the name Brett Robert Kielo to the notable Saskatonians list, listed as a Thunderstock racer. I know that Thunderstock racing is averge big here, and there was just a new track built for that purpose. Does anyone think that it should be left in or out? -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk) 01:18, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Drive Ins[edit]

The theatres section should mention that Saskatoon has one of the last operational drive-in movie theatres in Western Canada, but I can't remember if it's the Southwinds or Sundown drive-ins that is still going (I get the two mixed up all the time and I'm not in Saskatoon anymore). Can anyone confirm which one is still open? 68.145.238.33 15:02, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it's Sundown that's still open during the summer. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 19:32, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Sundown DriveIn is Saskatoon's only remaining drive-in theatre has two screens and a concession building. Audio is broadcast over an FM transmitter. http://wikimapia.org/183649/ The Southwinds was demolished years ago. --Allthenamesarealreadytaken 00:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC) The above notwithstanding, technically, the Sundown is NOT within Saskatoon City Limits and so cannot be considered to actually be a part of Saskatoon.--71.17.188.132 (talk) 16:49, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1980 Saskatoon Queen's Hotel fire[edit]

An interesting point came up at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2006 Milwaukee explosion a few days ago. 23skidoo mentioned the above fire in passing, stating that it caused "the first-ever deaths of firefighters in that city's history". A number of editors, including myself, commented that we thought it would be a good idea for him to go and write that article. I raised the topic on his talk page; below is the conversation (partly from my talk page, and partly from his):


Hi there! I couldn't help notice that, on the above AfD, you commented that "We can't have articles for every local disaster or accident, otherwise I'm going to go off an create an article called 1980 Saskatoon Queen's Hotel fire which is notable as causing the first-ever deaths of firefighters in that city's history." Well, I just want to say that, you've really got me interested now. Contrary to your beleif that this would only interest a local audience, such as yourself, I actually believe that this would make a great article, and I encourage you to really go out there and write it. Also, it may interest you to know, if you're not tracking discusion on the AfD (forgive me if you are), that Mike Halterman and Erikssond have both left comments on the AfD page saying that they, too, would like you to really go out and write it. So please do - it really would be greatly apreciated, and I'm confidant that it could become a very interesting article. Blood red sandman 19:13, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting reaction re: my off-the-cuff Queen's Hotel reference. Personally I think such an article would probably get AFD'd almost instantly, but if it were supported, what the heck. Unfortunately under current Wikipedia rules like WP:CITE and WP:V I would be unable to write such an article given my very limited knowledge of the topic. (I only remember it because my Grade 5 teacher was a friend of one of the dead firemen, and a few years back the Saskatoon Fire Department erected a statue in their memory.) It might not hurt to put an article request at the Saskatoon article because there are a few bonafide historians involved in that article. Me, I couldn't do a good job based upon my limited knowledge of the topic. Thanks for the thought, anyway. Cheers! 23skidoo 22:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]


That's unfortunate, but there remains some hope at the Saskatoon article. I may even try researching myself, if only to convince myself of the impossibility of the task unless you already know where to look. Blood red sandman 22:43, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]



Well, I think you've probably guessed by now why I'm here. Does anyone here know anything about the fire, and could write that article? If so, it could be the first-ever article to be created as the result of an AfD! Blood red sandman 21:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Despite the fact that I live in Saskatoon, I had never heard of the fire. So, I googled it. Voila!. May 31, 1980: Saskatoon firefighters Victor James Budz and Dennis Aron Guenter were killed while fighting a fire in the basement of the Queen's Hotel on 1st Avenue South. Over 26 years ago now (and just a tad before my time). Also here has some info on one of the fallen firefighters. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 22:45, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Based on the sources you provided (thanks!), I got a stub written, but anything else anyone knows of is still quite badly needed. Blood red sandman 21:40, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge[edit]

I've merged Market Mall (Saskatoon), The Centre (Saskatoon), and Midtown Plaza (Saskatoon) to Saskatoon, per WP:LOCAL. —Quarl (talk) 2006-12-30 08:34Z

Was the merge really needed? After the shopping center articles have been merged in, the main Saskatoon article is: "This page is 53 kilobytes long. It may be appropriate to split this article into smaller, more specific articles. See Wikipedia:Article size." ...and The Mall at Lawson Heights and Confederation Park Mall haven't even been added yet. instead of merging them into the Saskatoon article, maybe they should have been merged into another new article like "Shopping Centers (Saskatoon)" or similar? Thomas Dzubint 13:02, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Good point about article length. I've removed some unreferenced history text. Splitting it off into a Shopping in Saskatoon article would be fine. I just didn't want them to be off in little stubs which would probably get deleted if left on their own. —Quarl (talk) 2006-12-31 00:51Z

Vandalism[edit]

The introductory paragraph for this page, and likely the rest of it has been vandalised. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.79.157.253 (talk) 18:42, 3 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Coat of Arms[edit]

I noticed the auto-deletion of the Saskatoon Coat of Arms PNG image as noted on User talk:Ghoppe due to lack of specifying the copyright status for the image. I see the image is at http://www.saskatoon.ca/org/city_hall/crest.asp and it was adopted by city council in a bylaw ... does that imply (if it is a part of a law) that Wikipedia can use it? (sort-of "fair use" - although in Canada it's called "fair dealing") Do most of the various other city wikipedia pages show the city's coats of arms? Dzubint 17:48, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It was deleted as an "Image with unknown copyright status" a little while ago [2]. I think that as admins we've been actually trying to clear some backlogs lately, so it was caught in a sweep. We'd could email the city and ask them for permission to use the image (if someone wants to do that, and maybe ask for a picture of Atch at the same time). -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 19:14, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Clean up needed in the history section[edit]

There's a lot of information that's been added to the History section in the last few days and I don't know if all of it is necessary. I tried cleaning it up but it needs a complete rewrite. Do we really need to include things like Leisureland (which isn't even in Saskatoon), or the geographic description of every square inch of Saskatoon? I was tempted to put the "Clean Up" tag on the article, but I thought I'd play nice and put a friendly on the talk page before doing that. 23skidoo 20:09, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I just did a big entry on Saskatoon's history on Tripadvisor (http://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g155043-s203/Saskatoon:Saskatchewan:History.html). Would something like that be desireable? Drm310 04:31, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
sure! But remember WP:NOR and WP:ATT (make sure you back everything up with lots of references as pre WP:REF ) Thomas Dzubin Talk 13:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Will do. Most of what I wrote was done by the city's archivist, so it will be easy to provide reference. Anything I can't find, I will cut out. Now, just to find time to do it! Drm310 14:42, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Locations section?[edit]

The "locations" section in the main article confuses me... I know about sections, townships, ranges, etc. etc. but is this section really relevant to anything? I checked a few other Saskatchewan and Western Canada cities and they don't have have separate location sections mentioning which townships the city covers. I was born in Saskatoon and spent 30 years there and the locations section doesn't really mean anything to me in an "encyclopedic" sense. Is it just me? "Beckett Sec.25, Twp.37, R.7, W3" or "Hawoods Sec.20, Twp.36, R.8, W3" really isn't that relevant in my opinion. (let the flames begin) Dzubint 23:33, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Locations[edit]

Hello I am a genealogist and historian. I answer many questions about where things used to be and how to find places, homesteads, ghost towns, districts...etc here in Saskatchewan. Legal land descriptions are thing that one knows if they have mainly a rural background, it is where things are in Saskatchewan if you are in the country and not on a street or avenue of a city....ie the rural area of Brownell (which one knows where it was with the tsp and rge) is now a ghost town of the northern part of the north industrial, and just a very few years ago the Brownell one room school house on 51 st Street burned down :-( The city archives on their city archives history web site resurrected Factoria...I would like to resurrect more... I guess. To know how to use township and ranges in regards to locations mapping.

The placenames of Saskatchewan have changed enormously over the last one hundred years. Sutherland, Riversdale, Saskatoon, and Nutana get a lot of claim to fame in Saskatoon's history, but the enormous growth of the city of Saskatoon really has encompassed many, many other (rural) placenames that seem to be ignored, and they have passed away in silence :-( On an encyclopedia site, there are requirments for documentation references and links and what have you...so henceforth the legal land descriptions. Perhaps there is some searching needed for the other Canadian cities, to see what they have been built on top of. This information is maybe perhpas something for other cities to follow perhaps, but maybe in another article as it is causing confusion here.

For some current legal land descriptions of Saskatoon check the Canadan Archives Archivia Net post office site for Saskatoon growth. A Saskatoon home purchase has the legal land description as well as street address on the land title.

The numerous historical maps site at Can Maps online digitisation project shows that the area around early Saskatoon (much much smaller than now), and the placenames that are mentioned. Horse and buggy days required place name establishment approx every 6 miles apart for an enjoyable day ride. For example the town of Nutana is now just an itsy bitsy neighborhood of Saskatoon on the historical maps - as well the plaename of Mayfair - and all the others, it was mentioned in its own right along with West Saskatoon, and North Saskatoon, and etc, etc.. Now a days, placenames are larger and further apart. I guess it was only fascinating to me.SriMeshSriMesh Julia 19:45, March 21, 2007

New Census info[edit]

Okay.I got new census info however i have no clue where the last guy got thoses stats.. Here they are. http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census06/data/profiles/community/Search/SearchForm_Results.cfm?Lang=E

Are we doing the city population or the census area pop? I'm not really sure. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.51.84.241 (talk) 02:45, 1 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

weather[edit]

someone should mention the weather is horrible 10 months of the year and even in summer it isn't always warm. Really people should be warned before coming here. Anyone agree? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nipawin (talk • contribs) 04:12, 14 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

That's really rather subjective; what's cold to one person may be perfectly pleasant to another. Perhaps adding a bit about seasonal averages to the Climate section would be appropriate, but personal opinions about the weather would violate Wikipedia's WP:NPOV rule. Drm310 20:17, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The climate section says, "Saskatoon is fairly dry, with the summer being the wettest season." However, the climate data, with month-by-month average humidity, has the summer months as having lower humidity. Something doesn't line up here. (173.74.60.231 (talk) 02:59, 15 May 2014 (UTC))[reply]

There are scientific reasons why humidity can be high in winter when it seems quite dry out. I believe it is because cold air cannot hold near as much moisture as warm air can and the percentage you see in the climate data is a percentage of how much moisture the air can hold at that temperature, not how much humidity is actually in the air. This can skew your perception here that you are voicing. Evaporation in summer plays a role too. All the numbers are correct.Air.light (talk) 06:52, 15 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Cold air cannot hold a lot of moisture as warm air and would be a good reason that humidity is higher in the winter. Also, the humidity values are relative humidity, not absolute humidity values so it is how much moisture the air can hold at that temperature, not how much humidity is actually in the air, which would be absolute humidity values instead (see this page for more info). The relationship between humidity and precipitation are not the strongly correlated with each other (eg. you can have a dry but highly humid climate). Given that I recently checked the climate data, it is correct. Ssbbplayer (talk) 17:17, 15 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Time to Cull Notables[edit]

As the article is getting a little long (and that banner at the top is a great stain on the page), I propose we split the notables into a separate article like List of Reginans was done for Regina, Saskatchewan. Either that or we get stricter rules for the notables (the note I added a while ago seemed to help get rid of the "I'm notable" people too). Anyone else have a better idea, comments, object, or anyone attached to the notables being on the page? -Royalguard11(Talk·Review Me!) 03:09, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, the list is getting a little lengthy for inclusion in the main article. Since Regina's set a precedent, there's no reason we shouldn't follow suit.--Drm310 20:46, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Power Centre[edit]

I've never heard this term used for a big box mall, and seeing how vague it is, I'd just as soon never see it used again. It's a ridiculous and un-objective term. I had to look it up in Wikipedia, so if it's going to be used in the article, it ought to be linked. I've never heard anyone from Saskatoon, where I live, refer to Preston Crossing or anything mall-related as a "power centre." 06:18, May 17, 2007 (UTC)

I have heard the term before, but its usage is rare. --Drm310 20:55, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Saskatoon Sports Franchises[edit]

I'm wondering whether the Saskatoon Track and Field Club and Riversdale Athletics qualify for the list. When I originally posted the list, I only included teams that were either professional in nature or top amateur teams in national leagues. This is why you don't see the Contacts, Blazers, Royals etc. listed. If someone can point to major competitions that either of these clubs have participated in (such as the Canadian Olympic trials), then I will rescind my argument against their inclusion. The other thing we could do is siphon that list to its own page, where it could be broken down into professional teams, top amateur teams and local club teams and it could be linked to the Saskatoon page. Shootmaster 44 06:25, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sport section is way too long[edit]

Suggest create its own article. Michellecrisp 02:03, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unless anyone opposes I'm going to move sport franchises into its own article. Michellecrisp 12:53, 1 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I support moving the sports section to its own article. Drm310 15:14, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lots of Seniors In Saskatoon[edit]

Here is an article about the rise in the seniors population in Saskatoon. It's off of 650 CKOM webiste.[3] I was wondering if it was worth putting on the article. Mr. C.C. 18:47, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Joni Mitchell (Notables list)[edit]

Please do at least ten seconds of research before removing someone who considers Saskatoon her home town (according to her Wikipedia entry) from the Saskatoon notables page! Grumble grumble, I'm starting to agree that this list deserves its own page. Mr Death 21:09, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, this is a list of people that were born, raised, lived there, etc.. Mr. C.C. (talk) 04:32, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

'Sailor' Dan Hicks[edit]

I note that 70.64.63.207 added an entry to the notables list:

'Sailor' Dan Hicks - Local celebrity and artist

which Lawrence Cohen promptly removed as "vandalism". I do not agree that it was vandalism: I did some searching and the StarPhoenix did an article on him and there are pictures to be found on Flicker of both him and his art: [4][5][6]

So even if 'Sailor Dan' doesn't merit Wikipedia's criteria for notability, I can see why 70.64.63.207 tried to add him. -- Limulus (talk) 16:41, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A newspaper reporter should do a biography about him. Everyone in the city knows him, so the idea that he isn't "notable" is absurd. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.64.152.45 (talk) 18:10, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You do realize that you can protest the deletion and get it undeleted. Mr. C.C. (talk) 04:34, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sailor Dan (as he's known) is actually a real person. I've even met him, and he's been featured on local radio and TV shows a few times. He paints pictures of tall-masted sailing ships and then stands around outside local business selling his paintings. If you ever drive up and down 8th street, you'll see him out there selling his stuff... if the weather is good and he feels like standing out there. He's something of a local legend in that he looks like just another panhandler at first glance, but he never begs for money; He just sells his paintings. See here for more: http://www.canada.com/saskatoonstarphoenix/news/story.html?id=ce182a53-b6c5-4f00-be86-eec583960843&k=42240 --71.17.188.132 (talk) 16:57, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sailor Dan doesn't paint. He draws, usually with a fine point felt pen (I used to work for a downtown stationary store now defunct), on bristol board or large sheets of paper. And it's always the same ship. He's a local celebrity like Naked Cowboy in Times Square is for New York. And the SP articles were about the local downandouts - I'm surprised they didn't profile the short scruffy bearded old man who makes his living stealing SPs from downtown paperboxes and business doorsteps. -tangcameo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.64.44.161 (talk) 00:23, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why so many nicknames?[edit]

Does the second paragraph of our city's article really need to be about half-a-dozen obscure nicknames for Saskatoon? The bit about the name's origin is appropriate, but honestly! When's the last time anybody actually called it "POW City" or "Paris of the Prairies"? This is an encyclopedia, not a trivia game.

And while we're on the topic, I don't think we need four nicknames for the Bessborough either. I'll fix this soon if nobody objects, but I thought it should go under discussion first. Mr Death (talk) 23:48, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, POW City was last used 20 or 30 years ago. The only real nicknames are "Toontown", S'toon (in writing only, no one actually says this), and "Bridge City" is more of a title.

Can I nominate "The Bush" as one of the nicknames to be listed. I am unaware of its exact origin. However, as a former Saskatonian now living in Calgary, I hear the reference used a lot by expats going home, "Going back to the Bush", and know its been used for a long time. It refers to the Saskatoon berry bush. No bush, no berries. No Saskatoon, no Saskatonians. Ddarwen (talk) 01:31, 9 February 2013 (UTC)DDarwen 8.2.2013 1830.[reply]

"Saskabush" is offensive, so would "the bush". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.50.148.96 (talk) 20:16, 26 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've never heard anyone from Saskatoon use the term "Paris of the Prairies". To the best of my recollection, this was a nickname invented by a Toronto newspaper reporter (Globe and Mail, I think) who came out here to report on some major event a few decades ago, and was trying to be clever. Given enough time, I could probably dig up the newspaper article where it appeared. The term was also used around the same time in the song "Wheat Kings" by the Tragically Hip, so it's not clear who came up with it first. Regardless, as I said above, I don't think the "Paris of the Prairies" nickname has ever seen any significant use as a nickname, and is even less relevant than "POW city". Unless someone can come up with any evidence that the name has any significant usage, it should be deleted. If it was coined by the Tragically Hip, then it may be of some interest, and may be worth noting, but that still doesn't make it a nickname in common usage.Rsw29848 (talk) 04:37, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Saskatonian vs Saskatooner[edit]

I have reverted the edits that 64.228.195.214 made, where s/he changed "Saskatonian" to "Saskatooner", based on the following logic:

  • The user provided no citation to motivate the change. My quick-and-dirty search provided no concrete evidence either way except that "Saskatonian" is in Wiktionary and "Saskatooner" isn't, although this is almost certainly a circular reference.
  • I have lived in Saskatoon for over 30 years and have heard and read "Saskatonian" more often, although admittedly I haven't heard either much.
  • A Google search shows three times as many hits for "Saskatonian" as for "Saskatooner". Likewise, a Google search on the city's official Web page returns 1 hit for "Saskatonian" and 0 for "Saskatooner".

If somebody wants to show me why "Saskatooner" is preferred, please provide a citation. Until then, let sleeping Saskatonians lie. --Mr Death (talk) 12:46, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Saskatonians is all I've ever heard (and used). -Royalguard11(T) 18:37, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've never, ever heard the term Saskatooner used. I lived in Saskatoon from my birth in 1969 to 1992 and I continue to go back there several times a year. I have a rat-trap memory when it comes to Saskatoon media (Greg Barnsley? Gord Sunmor? I know who these guys are). And I have lots of old newspapers and maps and other stuff. Not one, ever, have I heard the term Saskatooner. Saskatonian is the only nickname I have ever heard used, though I think there may have been some short-lived attempts to play with words related to "Toontown" when Who Framed Roger Rabbit came out. 23skidoo (talk) 17:05, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • I have also heard Saskatoon called "The Bridge City" due to the city having many bridges. Mr. C.C. (talk) 07:01, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, folks, but it's clearly "Saskatonian." You need only read the official City Of Saskatoon website to see that. --71.17.188.132 (talk) 16:58, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Les MacPherson on movie theatres[edit]

I have tried to find an online source of MacPherson's SP column on the city's derth of movie theatres. I do believe this is a point worth making - for a city of 250K we have very few theatres. Can anyone add a date for the column? I believe it was sometime between 2000 and 2003. Also, it might be worth noting that city council recently reiterated its ban on allowing new theatres to be opened outside of the downtown core. Apparently a group wanted to build one at Stonebridge and were denied. 23skidoo (talk) 17:05, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe we have 3 actual theaters now right? Rainbow, Centre, and Galaxy. It really would just be his opinion anyways, since MacPherson basically writes an opinion column. We could just include it as an interesting statistic, although it is comparable to a city like Edmonton (with 202K pop, Saskatoon has about 1:67K theatre:people, whereas Edmonton has 752K pop, 9 theaters and a ratio of 1:84K). -Royalguard11(T) 17:49, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I happen to know he isn't the only one with this opinion (although obviously anecdotal opinion doesn't count in articlespace). It's ridiculous that a city Saskatoon's size has so few theatres -- fewer, in fact, then it had when it had half the population. 23skidoo (talk) 18:17, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually Royalguard, there are six theatres in Saskatoon. There is Galaxy, Centre, Rainbow, Roxy, Broadway, and Sundown Drive-In. Mr. C.C. (talk) 04:41, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't counting Roxy or Sundown because they're aren't as well known, and both of them are kind of special cases. And Broadway is more arts or less known movies I believe as opposed to mainstream Hollywood that characterizes the main 3 (although, I can't say I've ever been to Broadway or Roxy, but I've have been to Sundown). I still think the whole "downtown revitalization" thing is overrated and theatres should really be built in more suburban areas (Stonegate & Preston Crossing would have been good, maybe the new Rosewood area or even the newer areas near St. Joes, the area name escapes me right now). -Royalguard11(T) 05:01, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well Royalguard, the Roxy does play second run movies at a cheaper price much like Rainbow Theater. It is just on the westside of town. I do however agree that placing theaters in commericialized areas like downtown is overrated. The westside could really use a theater or two. Newer areas like Preston Crossing, Stonebridge, The Hamptons, etc. could and would benefit from the extra added attraction that something like a theater would bring to those respective areas. A Rainbow Theater would even be good in Prince Albert's Cornerstone Shopping District because the Galaxy Theater in Prince Albert is apart of the South Hill Mall which is uptown.

But as far as finding a source for this might deem a challenge. Mr. C.C. (talk) 21:28, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Photo suggestion - the Sundown Drive In[edit]

Whoever is taking the photos for the Saskatoon articles might want to consider getting a photograph of the Sundown Drive In. It is notable that the Sundown is one of the last operational drive-ins in this part of Canada, and I know it was operational as of this past summer because I saw ads running in the Star Phoenix and considered going to see a show there during a recent visit. There's no way of knowing how long it'll be around, so it might be worthwhile including a photo of it here; I've added a reference to it in the article. 23skidoo (talk) 18:17, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. It is too bad the Pines Drive-In was closed down before a picture could be taken for the Prince Albert article. Mr. C.C. (talk) 04:35, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I uploaded a couple of photos to Wikimedia Commons (here and here). They're pretty dark but feel free to include either one. --Drm310 (talk) 18:17, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Refers To Saskatoon?[edit]

The opening line of the Tragically Hip song "Wheat Kings" refers to Saskatoon: "Sundown in the Paris of the Prairies . . ."

Does this actually refer to Saskatoon? I am going to stick that with a citation tag. Mr. C.C. (talk) 21:36, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tourism Saskatoon seems to think so... I added a citation to them. Short of contacting the band and asking them, I guess we won't know for sure... --Drm310 (talk) 18:00, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That is not good enough. The Tragically Hip could be talking about a lot of cities. Mr. C.C. (talk) 10:21, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

THIS ARTICLE HAS TOO MANY SECTIONS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.41.120.101 (talk) 03:09, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Recent growth section[edit]

seems excessive and not consistent with other city articles. suggest a trim down. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.69.247.229 (talk) 02:24, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Actually, I think the entire Economy section is far too long. Moreover, much of it, while generally factual, is written in a rather POV tone - some sentences seem like they could belong in a tourism brochure and other sound like they were written by someone with a grudge against the city. Wolfrock (talk) 18:51, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Economy section[edit]

I have tagged the economy section with needing a complete re-write. I'm sorry to say, but I think it is pretty bad and there is only a minmal amount of content that is suitable to be kept as is. Here are some examples of problems with this section (in no particular order):

  • It is far too long. It has ten sections with 2654 words. Look at the length of the economy sections in Vancouver, Lethbridge, and Edmonton. These are examples of high-quality articles on Canadian cities - the first two are FA-class articles and the third has just been promoted to GA-class. In each case, there a concise summary of the subject and there is a link to a main article, either on the economy of the city or the economy of the province. I'm not sure if if Saskatoon's economy warrants it's own article so another example might be Richmond, a GA-class article. In this case, there is no economy article but instead the section is a concise summary of the historical development of the economy, industries that defined the city, a short summary of notable companies, and some recent developments. To use the good article criteria as a guideline, this section should address the main points and should be "focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail". This section certainly doesn't do that.
  • Related to the above - there are a ton of minute details that just end up distracting from the subject at hand. For example, there is an oil subsection that essentially says "Saskatoon might have been a hub for oil". Why is that in there? Perhaps it was news at the time but something that might have happened isn't so noteworthy in the scope of an article introducing the city. Another example is the three full sentences devoted to Mitchell's Gourmet Foods. A concise summary of the economy of Saskatoon doesn't need so much detail about one company.
  • The section is poorly organized. The whole section reads like it was written one sentence at a time in complete isolation from the rest of the article. A couple of examples:
    • The Recent Growth subsection which jumps all over the place chronologically.
    • Facts are repeated numerous times for no apparent reason. For example, look at how many places in the article (both in this section and in the rest of the article) the "lost 2,000 people" fact is repeated.
  • There are some stylistic problems. For example:
    • The ironic use of quotation marks in sentences like "This actual year end 2007 data from Statistics Canada discredits earlier Conference Board "predictions" ".
  • There are plenty of unsourced claims. Just look for the citation needed tags for a start. There are plenty of additional unsourced claims beyond that, too.

One could compile a much longer list of all the problems with this section, but I think you can get my point from this. Personally, I would like to keep the good article criteria in mind when updating this section (and the whole article) as that is the next milestone for this article. One of these five main points above would likely be enough for a failed GA-review and all five would certainly fail it. If it were just me, I would likely write an economy section similar to the one in the Richmond article. But, of course, it is not just me and this is a fairly major change being suggested so I would like to start some discussion here first. Thanks. Wolfrock (talk) 05:21, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this analysis. Could some of the content from this article be plopped into perhaps a child article... Economy of Saskatoon which could be developed on its own... and then this one re-vamped as per the suggestions as per above. My 2 cents worth. Kind RegardsSriMesh | talk 01:38, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I was bold and made a new article, and placed a summary with citations here. Some other article sections could also have detail in child articles, and summaries here as well, to clean up the entire article. Please improve the main Economy of Saskatoon especially with citations, and re-vamp the current economy section to a basic summary of main economic features.SriMesh | talk 02:15, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Safety[edit]

The reference to the Maclean's article "worst cities" based on 2006 crime stats for Saskatoon and Regina is outdated. It should be updated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Silverado2015 (talk • contribs) 02:46, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The second paragraph contains information up to the end of December 2008. I'm not aware of any information more recent than that, but if you can find some it could likely be added. Wolfrock (talk) 03:27, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Table of contents / sections[edit]

Could there be a modification of sections to ...

  • Infrastructure
    • Transportation
    • Utilities
    • Healthcare
    • Etc.

Then there would not be both a health prose and a hospital listing section...There would not be both a safety prose and a law and order list section. The other change that would be good to talk about would be to convert the last few "list type" sections into list articles and only retain the information as prose in the main article here. The demographics section list should be formatted into a graph or written in a table.SriMesh | talk 04:06, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Climate data?[edit]

I noticed someone switched the climate graph data from the 1961-1990 climate (less preciptiation and warmer summer) to the 1971-2000 data (cooler and more precipitation). I am not from Saskatoon but I was wondering which data would be more appropriate to reflect the climate in Saskatoon? I say we have a vote to see which is more popular?

The 1971-2000 data:

http://www.climate.weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/climate_normals/results_e.html?Province=ALL&StationName=saskatoon&SearchType=BeginsWith&LocateBy=Province&Proximity=25&ProximityFrom=City&StationNumber=&IDType=MSC&CityName=&ParkName=&LatitudeDegrees=&LatitudeMinutes=&LongitudeDegrees=&LongitudeMinutes=&NormalsClass=A&SelNormals=&StnId=3328&

The 1961-1990 data:

http://www.climate.weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/climate_normals/results_1961_1990_e.html?province=ALL&stationID=1474&stationName=saskatoon&searchType=BeginsWith

Gettin' my religion[edit]

Not that I'm missing them much, but shouldn't there be a section on local churches? I uploaded a couple of pix to Commons, but AFAIK, there's no place for them. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 04:27, 29 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Take notable[edit]

Some of them in the list strike me pretty tenuous. Dief, frex, wasn't from here, just lived here awhile. Joni, too, AFAIK. I'll wager there's others. And does being "former mayor" make you notable? If so, why isn't every former mayor on the list? (OK, not every ex-mayor gets a bridge named for him; it appears he's notable for something else, too, right?) TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 02:47, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The guidelines are if you were born, raised, or lived there for a period of time, then you qualify to be on the list if you are notable. Mr. C.C. (talk) 04:06, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And it helps also to do a little research on your own. Click the link and you'll find out Buckwold became a senator. As noted, if you lived in a city for a length of time, it counts. And in Saskatoon there are plenty of local sources acknowledging Joni Mitchell, Diefenbaker, and others as Saskatonians at one point or another. Hell, my mom went to school with Joni Mitchell. In Saskatoon. 68.146.81.123 (talk) 12:51, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox needs updating[edit]

Per this official city map released on July 21, 2010 here, the city has annexed large tracts to the north and northeast; all the city area figures need updating. 68.146.81.123 (talk) 23:22, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Go hard and do it. Ha, ha, ha! Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 04:33, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The people who do the infoboxes know where to get the current information, so I'm leaving the ball in their court. I just happened to spot a map announcing the annexation. In the last 5 years the amount of land within Saskatoon's city limits has increased by I'd guess close to 1/3 which is worthy of discussion on that note alone. 68.146.62.94 (talk) 12:59, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The map legend seems to show those blue/light-purplish areas as "under the control of the Corman Park - Saskatoon planning district", is that what you mean? That may or may not change the "city area" but it appears to be parkland and/or not part of the city itself, hard to be sure without better sources. If the city has annexed land since the last census that can certainly be mentioned in the article text, with sources that explain the change. Generally the infobox reflects the figures released from the national census which yes, does get up to 5 years out-of-date. Franamax (talk) 05:38, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sister Cities[edit]

Can't seem to find any sources confirming a sister city status with Ulsan (South Korea). There seems to be a discrepancy between the two articles. The Morphix (talk) 19:48, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

After 2 years, I've decided to removed Ulsan from the sister city list. All sources I have found do not list Ulsan as a sister city. (Source,Source, Source).The Morphix (talk) 22:52, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Suggested new content: urban planning and government[edit]

Just throwing it out there ... and no, sorry, I'm probably not going to do this myself :)

I was just comparing this article's content with the Vancouver article to see what might be missing here, and found the most notable topics to be urban planning and architecture, and government. If anyone is feeling motivated to do some new content, might be a good area to do it in.

Cheers Wikidsoup [talk] 20:13, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Temperature peak[edit]

"In the very end of July and beginning of August the daytime temperature peaks at 25.6 °C (78.1 °F) at the airport." According to the ref, that temp is an average high, not a peak, and it's for 31 July, not the beginning of August. Nurg (talk) 21:43, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Crime - unsupported assertion[edit]

The statement "The majority of the accusations turned out to be false" has no backing that I can see in the citations provided or in the article for Starlight Tours. Also the first citation does not link to the relevant information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndrewGB Ecosse (talk • contribs) 17:00, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

pop culture[edit]

I have removed the pop culture trivia section as its mostly unsourced and not the kind of section we want in an article of this nature that is to inform people on a city....not a trivia page...just as we dont list individuals.....does not help our readers undersatnd the city. Plus the list (disorganized and unselective) would be endless as the city is referenced thousands of time in movies, TV, news etc. What we are looking for is real content not a random list of non related trivia. Guideline Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trivia sections stats in bold "Avoid creating lists of miscellaneous". The tag {{In popular culture}} would have been a good fit here before. A few things like famous authors should be incorporated into the "Arts and culture" that should just be called "Culture" as art is part of culture....this article needs a huge clean-up in general...external links in main text... dead sources...non academic sources etc.......I am going to ask a few others next month to help out ...those that worked on Winnipeg .-- Moxy (talk) 22:13, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree 100% with Moxy's removal of this content. It is trivia that adds no value to the article. All it does is regurgitate that the city was mentioned somewhere at sometime. Our Canadian community structure guideline (CCSG) does not identify an "In popular culture" element or section as part of a complete article on a Canadian community. Such a section and the content within it is superfluous.

Also, I agree this article is in need of significant repair. It is recommended that it be overhauled and adapted to follow the CCSG. Hwy43 (talk) 04:17, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Population[edit]

The stated population of the city of 322,189 and metro of 360,600 in the sidebar is not supported by reference [5]. Further the population stated in the opening paragraph of 360,900 (civic) and 365,000 (metropolitan) seems to be directly contradicted by the references intended to support those values, refs. [7] and [8]. It serves no one to include vastly inflated population numbers that have no support. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.248.98.138 (talk) 05:58, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There are multiple WP:CANPOP infractions in the article's lead and infobox. Good catch. About to remedy. Hwy43 (talk) 06:14, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
 Done (see here) Hwy43 (talk) 07:06, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Health section[edit]

I'd like to suggest removing the second paragraph of the health section. Most of the discussion about the province, not the city. All of the data in the articles are about the province, not the city. Perhaps it is relevant for the Saskatchewan page, but this is an article about the city. Moreover, the information is about a trend occurring in 2005-2008.

Perhaps if there was someone could find some recent data on what is happening in Saskatoon specifically, we could include it in this section, but until then I suggest getting rid of this entirely.128.233.8.118 (talk) 16:49, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, not seeing any objections I am going to go ahead and do this. 128.233.8.167 (talk) 16:10, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Minorities[edit]

The demographics now includes "visible minorities" in excruciating detail and "not" visible minority. Since >80% are "not," the table is not informative. Worse, the table is biased toward racial profiling of the population, and makes a bad, indeed uncool, impression since it informs about, for example, Japanese < 500 people and does not present Germans >60,000, Eastern European >60,000. etc. Would much prefer http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2016/dp-pd/prof/details/page.cfm?Lang=E&Geo1=CSD&Code1=4711066&Geo2=CD&Code2=4711&Data=Count&SearchText=Saskatoon&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=01&B1=Ethnic%20origin&TABID=1 in abbreviated form that does not enumerate groups having <10,000 people so that it is not uncool racial profiling. This is really not acceptable; not what the welcoming city of Saskatoon is about! CarlWesolowski (talk) 01:15, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Founding year[edit]

I know this has been discussed, but I added a footnote on the topic of 1882 vs 1883 as the founding year. In 1982 the city based its centennial from the scouting of the location in 1882, not the actual settlement in 1883. It was a heavy debate back in 1981 when the celebrations were being planned and remains a point of debate 42 years later. I expect the debate will revive as we approach the sesquicentennial in 2032. 136.159.160.121 (talk) 16:57, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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