Talk:White minority rule

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Doesn't this amount to the same thing as apartheid? Redirect to that or a new page on minority rule in general. (Including race, religious, etc. minority government). The specificity of the title suggests that only whites might become minority rulers. TPK 11:45, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

It is not necessarily the same thing as apartheid. Rhodesia had a white minority rule government between 1965 and 1975, but it did not apply apartheid. It's not only whites who might become minority rulers, e.g. Indians in Fiji, the prospect of which triggered several coups. -- Arwel 12:15, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Well it still ought to redirect to minority rule or somesuch then, IMHO. TPK 15:11, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

• Keep and improve with Clean Up. White minority rule is now a blanket term used to indicate post-colonial nations, as well as colonial ones, where a white party has the power. Apartheid is a specific South African political philosophy. A redirect to Apartheid would be a stop-gap while waiting for this article to exist fully, and I'd rather not take that step. Geogre 18:22, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

REDIRECTED to Dominant minority, new. This article is too limiting, and confusing (whites to most people mean europeans, but "white dominance" in South America mean "white" Latin Americans, descended ages ago from europeans, or simply selected to be dominant by british/portuguese, etc. However, the issue of Dominant Minorities (or "minority dominance", couldn't decide on title) is an issue that affects people worldwide, and in many cases, is not "whites" doing the dominance (chinese in Indonesia, Lebanese in West Africa, etc.). The issue remains the same.

• could use help with Dominant minority and important subject. Terrapin 19:42, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

• • Comment: I really disagree with the redirect. I hear "white minority rule" on BBC World Service news nearly every night, as something historical or ongoing. "Land reform movements date back to the era of white minority rule in Zimbabwe, but Mugabe's schemes...." Geogre 21:40, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)

• Keep, not redirect. The term is frequently used with reference to the history of Rhodesia/Zimbabwe. I think there should be an article, it should be mainly about that country (and any others where this term may be very common), and should have a "see also" or something to link to an articl on the broader general concept. -- Jmabel 01:07, Aug 10, 2004 (UTC)
• Keep under the heading "dominant minority", mark as stub, expand, add historical details and elaborate on white dominant minority in this entry. --Fenice 07:54, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

• White minority rule should have its own article, which isn't to say that it cannot also recieve an overview under Dominant Minority. 'White minority rule' is an important concept historically, as are other types of dominant minorities. Basically, if it effected millions of lives then it is noteworthy as such. It is highly simplistic in my opinion to simply juxtapose it to a (South African) particularity as it is a (Dominant Minority) generality. I do not entirely recall what was written, and I feel dispirited that the fate of the article has been sealed so swiftly. I believe it was a mistake and I confess that it may cause me to reeavluate my future participation and contribution to Wikipedia, and I only been here for several days (am I missing something? Hah. Undoubtedly). At any rate, certainly not as balanced process as I envisioned it in being. A shame, really. Well, so long. Remember what we spoke about. El_C

• Keep as redirect - the original article was only one sentence long in the first place. -Sean Curtin 20:17, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

• Would you please cite that original article here for me? Thanks. El_C
  • Original article here: White minority rule Davodd 20:38, Aug 11, 2004 (UTC)

• Ah, thanks. I should have stubbed it. I intended to continue it, I think it would have been a useful entry. I am surprised at this vote. This is an encylopedia, not philosophical abstract. Historians write about White minority rule as an historical phenomenon (principally in Southern Africa), philsophers can taxonomize whatever they wish. Wikipepdia should have a role for both. El_C

• • Well, I certainly agree with you. More to the point is the question of usefulness. Is the hypothetical student going to hear or see a term and want to know what it refers to? I think, in this case, yes. I also think that this is a term too specific and broad to be lumped into any minority rule, since ethnic minorities, religious minorities, etc. are not the same as the minority rules that came about because of the invention of race and "white people." My vote's in, though. Geogre 00:00, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

• No Black Majority rule in my life time, or my children's (Ian Smith). What a stub!

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