Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Cambodia/archive1

Cambodia

The article should be a Featured article as it is was rebuilt by me (Before & After Minus edits between) to become a worth candidate. It has pictures, it is comprehensive, has the cosmetic changes to make it look appealing. Words don't describe the improvement of the article since the renovation, you will have to visit the article youself.  :) [[User:Squash|Squash ^(Talk)]] 02:07, Dec 11, 2004 (UTC)

Update: Note whilst initally I did indeed wanted this article to become a feature article. After reading the responses below. I now withdraw my decision to nominate this article as a feature article as of now. [[User:Squash|Squash ^(Talk)]] 04:06, Dec 11, 2004 (UTC)

• Oppose. The opening section isn't very well written ("Thwe country is..." and lots of short, choppy sentences) and too much of the article is just lists (organizations Cambodia is in, leaders of the country, provinces, etc). It's got a lot of good factual content, but it's not particularly great, so far as country articles go. Jacob1207 02:14, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The sentences are short because that is what the Oxford: Plain English guide tells me to use. Sentences are meant to be concise. [[User:Squash|Squash ^(Talk)]] 02:16, Dec 11, 2004 (UTC)

• Oppose for the moment. I agree that there is a need to cut back the lists in the articles, maybe putting them into Foreign Relations of Cambodia in the case of the list of organisations. Evil Monkey → Talk 02:25, Dec 11, 2004 (UTC)

The most longest list of organizations has now been moved to Foreign relations of Cambodia [[User:Squash|Squash ^(Talk)]] 02:36, Dec 11, 2004 (UTC)

• Oppose, too short. For an country article to be featured it should be at least 32K. Also Military of Cambodia and Transportation in Cambodia should have a summary-style section with a "main article" wikilink. Culture section is too short. Too many timelines and lists and not enough prose. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality/^talk]] 02:45, Dec 11, 2004 (UTC)

That is too harsh. India is 20KB (according to Firefox page info) and is was a featured article. Cambodia article is currently 15KB. [[User:Squash|Squash ^(Talk)]] 02:51, Dec 11, 2004 (UTC)

I've added more ifnormation to the tourism section. It seems that on the Wikipedia a country article that is so neglected, can never be a feature article. [[User:Squash|Squash ^(Talk)]] 02:56, Dec 11, 2004 (UTC)

• Oppose. Numerous examples of truly awful prose, especially in the lead section, but also throughout. Needs a close copyedit from someone fairly proficient in English. Also, why might the anniversary dates be subject to change? And are both new years dates really important? I'm guessing (but don't know) that Jan 1 isn't really all that important. Psychobabble 03:43, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Well it seems the only way to get a person to copyedit this neglected article. Is to nominatate the article as a Featured article candidate. [[User:Squash|Squash ^(Talk)]] 03:47, Dec 11, 2004 (UTC)
    • Well, I hope that that's not the only way to get someone to copyedit the article, but it did motivate me to do so. I think that it significantly improves the article, but doesn't change my opposition to featured article status at this time. Cambodia is an interesting country and with further work the article could be brought up to FA status. Jacob1207 13:35, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • The calendar (now moved) was subject to change as it would be safer to say so, then to give reader wrong information. I admit that the article does need a copyedit and I shouldn't have nominated this article in the first place - but no one wishes to spend their time on the article. They would rather use their time on something else like List of so and so etc. [[User:Squash|

Squash ^(Talk)]] 04:06, Dec 11, 2004 (UTC)

• • I feel your frustration, but nominating for FA to get a copyedit seems somewhat unethical to me :) It's a shame it comes to this... Psychobabble 02:01, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)