Talk:Fulbright Program

Ordering Request[edit]

Alumni list should be ordered by last name first. there appears to be no rational purpose in the current ordering. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.48.205.82 (talk) 04:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

other[edit]

I see nothing about war criminals who were fulbright scholars !

typical wikipedia omissions — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.24.57.126 (talk) 22:30, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Does anybody know anything about how the Fulbright has been expanded? The Fulbright Program has been expanded in a number of ways over the years. The best resource for more information would be the Annual Report of the J. William Fulbright Foreign Scholarship Board. The latest report can be found on their web site at http://exchanges.state.gov/education/fulbright/ffsb/ . And has there always been a home residency requirement clause in the program? I have heard that it was Western European governments who in the 1950s insisted that this clause should be added because they meant the Fulbright Program lead to brain-drain. However, I have never got this story verified.

Was Clinton a fullbright? I don't think so. I think he was just a Rhodes scholar.

Clinton won a Fulbright award: an extremely selective award granted yearly to one participant. He did not participate in any Fulbright program. "Just a Rhodes scholar" is probably inappropriate as Rhodes is a far more difficult award to receive. I hope this clears up the misunderstanding. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.237.109.194 (talk) 05:10, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To the unsigned user above: I think you're confusing the J. William Fulbright Prize for International Understanding and the Fulbright Scholarship. Clinton was awarded the former, but his scholarship was Rhodes. --LarryMColeman 18:24, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"More Fulbright alumni have won Nobel Prizes than those of any other academic program, including two in 2002."

That's probably not surprising since, as stated,

"more than 250,000 individuals have received Fulbright grants".

There have not been anywhere near that many Rhodes scholars. - Matthew238 04:50, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

April 25, 2007: cleanup requested[edit]

I've requested cleanup on this page as (1) much of the page is written like an advertisement or uses many weasel-words and (2) the organization of sections is not clear. For example, the Fulbright alumni section does not make it clear that these are alumni of the US Student programs. Perhaps, as a starting point, the long-ish intro could be split up into a History section and a section on the US Student Program, cf. the Fulbright Prize section. Information is also pretty much missing on foreign student programs. mitcho/芳貴 23:57, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand the logic of why a scholarship information can be written in "advertisement" format as what the tag is put. How can a scholarship be marketed? Sounds funny. Please remove unnecessary tag. 202.156.11.4 15:19, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am referring to phrasing such as "have recognized the importance of continued involvement and action in the name of increasing mutual understanding" and also the unreferenced figure of "36 Nobel Prize Winners among its alumni, more than any other scholarship program of its kind." mitcho/芳貴 06:15, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On another cleanup matter, the line "Josh Lyman, Deputy Chief of Staff to President Josiah Bartlett" in the list of Fulbright Scholars, doesn't adequately reflect that this is a fictional character added on to a list of real people. Drakkenfyre 08:48, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone add something about the misnomer "full ride" scholarship? I believe it is derived by ignorant people mispeaking Fulbright.4.230.114.173 (talk) 11:10, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Post war[edit]

The Fulbright Program was and is an internationalist reaction to two pointless World Wars. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.194.200 (talk) 09:57, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

White Fulbright stood on stolen Red Indian land. Admittedly, he was born there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.194.200 (talk) 10:11, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dolph Lundgren[edit]

Just a note of clarification... Dolph Lundgren was awarded a Fulbright, but resigned after 2 weeks.^[1] As far as the Fulbright Program is concerned, being a Fulbright "recipient" or alum includes completing the award term. I'm not editing anything and will leave it to the community to decide. Zenter (talk) 18:31, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://twitter.com/fulbrightprgrm/status/21583245690

Drag race notability[edit]

Stop adding material about a Fulbright scholar winning a drag race. As several other editors have explained, this is not notable. Natureium (talk) 15:00, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If I may ... Ru Paul's Drag Race is not a "drag race" in the normal sense of the word. Don't assume :-) Looking at the length of that list of scholarship recipients, there's probably no reason to exclude Sasha Velour from it, but the NPR source should probably be used, and the others on the list should probably have sources added. On the other hand I agree, unless there's been extensive coverage in the press of the Fulbright angle on his win, this is WP:UNDUE in the list of "things Fulbright scholars have gone on to do". Unless there is such coverage, it's relevant for the article on him, not so much for the article on the Fulbright program except for the inclusion of his name in the list. However, adding the fact was not disruptive; it was intended as a broadening of the section, so far as I can see. Yngvadottir (talk) 16:23, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Velour is still listed as a recipient, what is being removed is a separate part about RuPaul's Drag Race. More than 360,000 people have participated in the Fulbright Program. If you include all contests won and reality shows participated in, you would need an entirely separate list. A drag race is not of the same notability as a Nobel prize. Natureium (talk) 16:36, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Or a major political post, I tend to agree. However, I could be wrong, it's really up to sources: it's possible that Texasbrian can show that it's been widely reported in reliable sources that this changes the reputation of the Fulbright Program. In either event, I don't believe this was tendentious editing. Sometimes another editor brings something that others weren't aware of; we can't all read all the news sites every day. And my point remains that I think that long list of recipients needs a good dose of sourcing. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:24, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well the Fulbright Program themselves seem quite happy to associate themselves with it and announced it themselves. [1]. Canterbury Tail talk 18:33, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Why does it matter whether of not the Fulbright Program wants to be associated with it? We don't make PR pages. Natureium (talk) 19:06, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Gotta agree with Natureium here (minus the accusations of vandalism). It doesn't merit inclusion to the summary list of accomplishments of the Notable alumni section that includes Pulitzer and Nobel Prize winners, heads of state, and other government leaders otherwise you would need start counting every profession listed, (e.g. authors, professors, governors, actors, etc.). However it should be added as an accomplishment to Velour's entry in the list. I'll do that in my next edit. Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 19:55, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Works for me. Way WP:UNDUE to have it in the lead or given much mention - it's not a major reality show, but adding it their entry is perfect. Ravensfire (talk) 21:05, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Really confused here. The first line talks about key roles: Fulbright alumni have occupied key roles in government, academia, and industry. Of the 325,000+ alumni:
Also, why is "industry" listed as the criterion for the first list if the list is simply political positions?

Then the second list talks about "notable alumni", which is where Velour is mentioned. So is she "notable" (a really vague word) or not?
The following list is a selected group of notable Fulbright grant recipients
Seems like the confusion stems from the wording of the categories. I honestly don't have a dog in the Sasha fight; I'm not a fan. But if you have a list of "key roles" then this is a key role for her industry. If she doesn't belong there, change the name of the list... doesn't that make sense? Texasbrian (talk) 16:04, 2 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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