Talk:SMS Ostfriesland

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Featured articleSMS Ostfriesland is a featured article; it (or a previous version of it) has been identified as one of the best articles produced by the Wikipedia community. Even so, if you can update or improve it, please do so.
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Did You Know Article milestones
DateProcessResult
January 9, 2011Good article nomineeListed
February 18, 2011Good topic candidatePromoted
August 3, 2011WikiProject A-class reviewApproved
August 25, 2011Good topic candidatePromoted
May 5, 2012Featured article candidatePromoted
Did You Know A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on January 9, 2011.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the German battleship SMS Ostfriesland (pictured) was sunk by American bombers during air power tests conducted by Billy Mitchell in 1921?
Current status: Featured article

Renaming[edit]

Seems a shame to leave the Ostfriesland under USS when they only had it for a year. GraemeLeggett 12:37, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Progressive flooding and sinking[edit]

What is meant by progressive flooding? Were the ship's hatches left open or were all interior and exterior hatches secured? Binksternet 14:37, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Combat record[edit]

Did SMS Ostfriesland Sink any enemy ships while she was commisioned with Germany.--121.209.65.203 (talk) 13:28, 22 March 2008 (UTC)ps[reply]

As far as I can tell, no she did not. Parsecboy (talk) 13:36, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ambiguity[edit]

In the section about using the ship for bombing tests: "Carefully edited footage of the sinking of the Ostfriesland was made public after the experimental attack and was highly influential on US Naval decision makers.[citation needed]"

Not only is a citation needed, but this sentence is ambiguous; did it influence people into believing that bombing was effective OR ineffective against the ship? --Bobbozzo (talk) 01:52, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am unable to answer your question, but am able to delete the fact-challenged sentence. Binksternet (talk) 16:45, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: WikiCopter (t • c • g • simple • commons • lost • cvu • onau) 03:19, 2 January 2011 (UTC) I am stunned by this article (I always am ; ). I am confident that you will be able to quickly adjust the article to my expectations as the reviewer. The only thing I can see at the moment is that nothing is included about the dramatic influence of the video recording of Ostfriesland's sinking on American public opinion. Just a note, I have only limited access over the next week, so expect slow responses. Good luck! WikiCopter (t • c • g • simple • commons • lost • cvu • onau) 03:19, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"On 18 August, Admiral Scheer attempted a repeat of the 31 May operation; the two serviceable German battlecruisers—Moltke and Von der Tann—supported by three dreadnoughts, were to bombard the coastal town of Sunderland in an attempt to draw out and destroy Beatty's battlecruisers." I believe that the rest of the battlecruisers were severely damaged in the Battle of Jutland, correct? WikiCopter (t • c • g • simple • commons • lost • cvu • onau) 03:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, I added a paragraph on the reaction to the bombing and the controversy, as well as a note on the battlecruisers after Jutland. Thanks for reviewing the article and your compliments :) Parsecboy (talk) 20:18, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Massie is cited in the text but not listed in the references.XavierGreen (talk) 01:33, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Added - thanks for catching that. Sadly enough, SMS Helgoland made it through ACR and FAC without anyone noticing that I had forgotten to list Campbell in the references. Parsecboy (talk) 13:23, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Some final comments:
  • captions and images are good, licenceses check out.
  • in the infobox armor needs conversion for the turrets, type of armor would also be appreciated in the infobox.

Other than that, the article looks great. Pending completion or response for the final comments, article is on hold. When comments are met, I will probably pass the article. WikiCopter (t • c • g • simple • commons • lost • cvu • onau) 03:04, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I added a link to Krupp cemented armour, though the 300mm for the turret armor is converted directly above for the belt. If the same figures are close together, you don't need to convert them every time (and in fact it's preferred that you don't). Thanks again for reviewing the article. Parsecboy (talk) 12:43, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Good job. Passed. WikiCopter (t • c • g • simple • commons • lost • cvu • onau) 15:14, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What?[edit]

"Following the capitulation of Germany in November 1918, most of the High Seas Fleet, under the command of Rear Admiral Ludwig von Reuter, was interned in the British naval base in Scapa Flow.[53] On the morning of 21 June, the British fleet left Scapa Flow to conduct training maneuvers, and at 11:20 Reuter transmitted the order to scuttle his ships. In the span of a few hours, ten battleships and five battlecruisers sank in the shallow waters of Scapa Flow.[55] KzS Karl Windmüller served as Ostfriesland's final commander,[3] until she was stricken from the navy list on 5 November 1919. She was then surrendered to the Allies as "H". The ship remained in Germany until 7 April 1920, when a German crew took her to Rosyth. She was ceded to the United States as war reparations, and on 9 April an American crew arrived to bring her to the US.[50]"

This passage is completely confusing. Was the Ostfriesland at Scapa? If not, why is any of this mentioned in the same paragraph (or at all)? If so, how did she end up back in Germany? Generally, what do the two halfs of this paragraph have to do with each other, if anything?

Maury Markowitz (talk) 10:39, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No, she wasn't at Scapa - it's there because the Helgoland and Nassau class ships were surrendered after the scuttling as replacements for the ships that were lost. That should be clearer now. Thanks. Parsecboy (talk) 12:34, 27 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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